Anybody had a shop do a HG replacement lately?
Presume the 4cyl model (if there is a v6 option I don't know...), and the stealer wants to throw a long block in it. With the dudes employer discount (he works for the stealer) they quoted him $6K to throw a "new" long block under the hood.
I guessed a ~ $2K for a HG replacement.
I have a hard time believing it's that hard to do an HG replacement on it, but what do I know, the cars I drive are 23, 29, and 40, and the older it gets the easier that job is to do (I think the 320 took me all of 2-3 hours).
Holler.
IDK but AK1's CPO 2018 with 57k on it is sitting at the dealership waiting for a coolant leakdown and borescope test to see if they're going to "silent recall" replace the short block. I'm in a 2023 Edge Titanium loaner and AK1 is driving my 6MT RWD E92.
That just seems odd, unless there's a larger issue with the whole unit.
Head gasket replacement is a fair bit of work given the car, but not terrible.
The phrase "short block" makes me think of a block assy w/o the head, vs. long block which I think of as block and head, but no manifolds, accessory drives, etc.
I presume you mean the latter?
I'm betting the service manager knows that the techs are more likely to get an engine swap right than deal with potentially disassembling a head, sending it out to get skimmed, reassembling it, getting all of the timing set right, etc. A new long block is a sure thing and probably means less shop hours in reality.
$6k for a new long block installed at a dealer is a deal.
Some 2014-2019 Fusion and 2017-2019 Escape vehicles equipped with a 1.5L Ecoboost engine may exhibit coolant consumption and white smoke concern. Follow the Cooling System Pressure Test procedure in Workshop Manual(WSM), Section 303-03, pressurize the cooling system to 138 kPa (20 psi) and hold for 5 hours. If cooling system pressure drops 27.57kPa(4psi) after 5 hours and internal engine coolant loss is confirmed, further investigation of the head gasket interface is required. Carefully inspect cylinder block for erosion, pitting, and flatness. Defects will be between the engine block cylinders and cylinder bore bridges. If defects with the surface of the cylinder block and/or cylinder head are identified, follow WSM, Section 303-01A procedures for repairs. Complete cost cap as needed to determine the most cost effective repair.
https://www.fordescape.org/threads/2017-2019-1-5l-4-cylinder-ecoboost-engine-escape-coolant-loss-engine-rebuilds.112328/
Sometimes people who know what they're doing know what they're doing. It's not a headgasket.
I've seen youtube clips about 4cyl turbo escape/lincoln engines having leaks in the block on cylinder 3. Symptoms may look like a head gasket leak, but it's actually a block. If you check the cylinder w/a boroscope you might actually see the coolant leaking into the cyl if you put the cooling system under pressure.
Not my favorite youtuber...but here's a video on the issue. Unfortunately, if you're out of warranty (being a 2017...that's likely)...a longblock might be the only fix.
In reply to Hoondavan :
I was hoping this would not be a problem for AC's Escape, but the 2.0l turbos can have an issue with bore cracks. All I've heard of were the larger vehicles that load the engine higher more consistently.
I think this was solved in the second version of the 2.0l, and will be gone when the next family of 2.0l turbos come along.
alfadriver said:
In reply to Hoondavan :
I was hoping this would not be a problem for AC's Escape, but the 2.0l turbos can have an issue with bore cracks. All I've heard of were the larger vehicles that load the engine higher more consistently.
I think this was solved in the second version of the 2.0l, and will be gone when the next family of 2.0l turbos come along.
ours is an SEL, so it's the 1.5L EB 4cyl. Byrneon27's post is snip / paraphrase of the TSB on NHTSA Website
because ours was Gold CPO, the powertrain is covered for 7 years or 100k miles from in-service date. it will certainly expire by age (Dec 2025) before mileage (currently at 57k).
Do engine. Most of the time the "head gasket" leak is actually a cracked block. $6k is cheap for a long block install.
Byrneon27 said:
Some 2014-2019 Fusion and 2017-2019 Escape vehicles equipped with a 1.5L Ecoboost engine may exhibit coolant consumption and white smoke concern. Follow the Cooling System Pressure Test procedure in Workshop Manual(WSM), Section 303-03, pressurize the cooling system to 138 kPa (20 psi) and hold for 5 hours. If cooling system pressure drops 27.57kPa(4psi) after 5 hours and internal engine coolant loss is confirmed, further investigation of the head gasket interface is required. Carefully inspect cylinder block for erosion, pitting, and flatness. Defects will be between the engine block cylinders and cylinder bore bridges. If defects with the surface of the cylinder block and/or cylinder head are identified, follow WSM, Section 303-01A procedures for repairs. Complete cost cap as needed to determine the most cost effective repair.
https://www.fordescape.org/threads/2017-2019-1-5l-4-cylinder-ecoboost-engine-escape-coolant-loss-engine-rebuilds.112328/
Sometimes people who know what they're doing know what they're doing. It's not a headgasket.
Ford dealer did the test, said head gasket.
Can confirm they lose coolant consistently, and it's not leaking externally, and does blow white steam, which does abate as the car warms up.
Sounds like head gasket, we'd all like to be wrong.
