How about an old Nissan 200SX? The first few years had a solid rear axle. The later models had a VG30 engine, so there should be more than enough room for pretty much any 4 cylinder. A Nissan SR20 is probably not a difficult swap, and is pretty darned stout. Weighs around 2600 lbs stock, and has a long enough wheelbase that it might not be a total handful on a dragstrip.
Have no idea how much tire can be fitted under it, though.
eastsidemav wrote: Have no idea how much tire can be fitted under it, though.
Not a whole lot. Or at least not enough to get down in the 8s without tubbing.
I don't think you're going to be out there running eights in anything under a giant super duper turbo six cylinder. Eights are very serious business.
This with a 3sgte and a T76.
Stock four link/stick axle and they are right on your weight limit with no changes. Better aero and longer wheelbase than the later Corollas too.
Actually, now that I think about it, isn't this prime territory for a Carmen Ghia? I don't know if they'll fit your tires, but I also kind of doubt if it will matter with their weight distribution.
A drag race Karmann Ghia would get some looks but I don't know how easy it would be to get them to really hook up with "stock" suspension. I would think 8's on a aircooled VW motor is possible but not in an inexpensive fashion.
In reply to pres589: Start with a SCAT crank, a good sized turbo, and a worked transaxle, and it's possible. Saw one run in the 8s on a Pinks All Out episode.
Still say a small pickup is the easiest, cheapest way to go.
In reply to triumph5:
Oh yeah, totally possible, but it seems like it would take a lot of tuning and test effort to get there reliably.
Getting anything to run in the eights reliably will take effort. To do it easy may be beyond the budget and, more importantly, beyond Ranger's intent.
triumph5 wrote: Getting anything to run in the eights reliably will take effort. To do it easy may be beyond the budget and, more importantly, beyond Ranger's intent.
This. I don't think many people here understand just how fast that is.
tuna55 wrote:triumph5 wrote: Getting anything to run in the eights reliably will take effort. To do it easy may be beyond the budget and, more importantly, beyond Ranger's intent.This. I don't think many people here understand just how fast that is.
REALLY FAST!
MrJoshua wrote:tuna55 wrote:REALLY FAST!triumph5 wrote: Getting anything to run in the eights reliably will take effort. To do it easy may be beyond the budget and, more importantly, beyond Ranger's intent.This. I don't think many people here understand just how fast that is.
LUDICROUS SPEED
curtis73 wrote:tuna55 wrote: If the suspension has to stay stock, and you want to run 8s for cheap, it has to be a rwd stick axle.Amen. Trying to hook up 8 seconds with an IRS is a possibility, but its like trying to hook up with Angelina Jolie in a grease pit. You both get dirty and you both leave angry. wait... what did I just say?
If that doesn't make it into the magazine I don't know what will.
Come to think of it, wouldn't you be looking into the 700-800 HP range to get a 2400 lb car into the 8's? Assuming you can get enough tire under it to hook up. Thats gonna require quite a few cubic dollars, even if you start with an SR20DET or 4G63T. I'm betting a streetable turbo'd SBC would be a cheaper option, and make enough more power to make up for the weight penalty.
In reply to eastsidemav:
850 would do it. Keep in mind that a big turbo car needs more peak HP because they don't make it across the entire range. This also assumes that the thing hooks pretty perfectly, so call it 900. A small block is definitely a lot easier, even given the weight penalty, also because you generally can't get a six as big 6/8ths as you can get an 8.
How about recreating a syclone setup? Even with the ranger you could use explorer awd running gear. Turbo v6 with early 80's ranger or S10 and you're in like flynn. Then the tire width is less of a big deal.
I know nothing about drag racing.
When talking about running single digits reliably, the answer is big block. Poked and stroked 460BBF based 600+ cube monster with a glide and a healthy shot of dope. then put tall that in a four eye fox body
In reply to Teh E36 M3:
This is what you get for thinking like that: http://www.msmisery.com/
So far, they are still about 8 TENTHS off the top times.
Brian
In reply to Blitzed306:
Too much torque for the given tire, even leaving at idle and slowly feeding the power in.
Blitzed306 wrote: When talking about running single digits reliably, the answer is big block. Poked and stroked 460BBF based 600+ cube monster with a glide and a healthy shot of dope. then put tall that in a four eye fox body
Bolt-on "Boss" 429 style heads on a 460...
http://www.jonkaaseracingengines.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=219
Ranger50 wrote: In reply to Blitzed306: Too much torque for the given tire, even leaving at idle and slowly feeding the power in.
I promise at this power level that they are not traction limited. There's no "too much torque" in the 8s. That doesn't happen until you get much faster. Then the rear suspension setup is wacky to boot. Hit the tires. A fast car makes up a ton on the low end, it's very rarely the other way around.
If you think you're going to slowly feed power in and still run 8's, you'd better be backing a few hundred horsepower more than everyone else.
I'm confident you could run single digits given tire width limits, and stock STYLE suspension is not bad for this purpose if you beef the torque boxes and use adj control arms. I didn't say its to much torque, it was quoted wrong. If you look at the gear ratios on a 2 speed glide you'll see why a BBF and a glide are so great on the strip
pres589 wrote: A drag race Karmann Ghia would get some looks but I don't know how easy it would be to get them to really hook up with "stock" suspension. I would think 8's on a aircooled VW motor is possible but not in an inexpensive fashion.
I was under the impression that if you want to go really fast in a drag car, air cooled VWs are the most cost realistic alternatives to V8 American stuff.
Weedburner wrote: Here's an RX-7 thats been 7.96 @ 178 w/ a turbo sbf. bigger tires, tubs w/ ladders though, but stock rear rails are kinda there and a stock front suspension... http://grannys.tripod.com/102.htm
There's a lot of steel under that. Is it possible it is near the #2400 limit?
The older corollas are very light. My corolla weighs in at 2460 lbs. with a 350/350, and its a 4 door. I haven't even tried to shave weight. An LS series motor will take about 160 lbs off of the front end and can make a conservative 700+ hp without getting too wild. 26" tires can be stuffed in the back with slightly taller/stiffer springs. AND these are very unassuming!!!
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