All-new SCCA Street Car Shootout combines autocross and time attack

The best of both worlds? The Street Car Shootout, SCCA’s newest program, combines the challenge of autocross with the thrill of time attack.

Slated for February 15-16 at Las Vegas Motor Speedway, the SCCA Street Car Shootout starts with competitors running four autocross runs on a giant lot located east of Las Vegas Motor Speedway–the same pad that hosted …

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Personally, I love this best of both worlds concept. It'll make things interesting.

Interesting, though this- "Top times from each of the three competition elements will then be added to decide the winners." probably means the time attack is going to be more important than autocross. IME there tends to be more separation in TT. If I were running it, I'd throw in a 'must use the same time the whole weekend' in there.

There will be one here in Vegas.

theruleslawyer said:

Interesting, though this- "Top times from each of the three competition elements will then be added to decide the winners." probably means the time attack is going to be more important than autocross. IME there tends to be more separation in TT. If I were running it, I'd throw in a 'must use the same time the whole weekend' in there.

It says there are two autox times included though, one forwards and one backwards.

But yeah, to balance them properly you'd need to normalize the times.

codrus (Forum Supporter) said:

theruleslawyer said:

Interesting, though this- "Top times from each of the three competition elements will then be added to decide the winners." probably means the time attack is going to be more important than autocross. IME there tends to be more separation in TT. If I were running it, I'd throw in a 'must use the same time the whole weekend' in there.

It says there are two autox times included though, one forwards and one backwards.

But yeah, to balance them properly you'd need to normalize the times.

Probably the easiest way is to change it to a % of fastest time for each class rather than raw time. Or just do a points system for finish place like imsa, etc. Then the gaps don't really matter, just the order. You'd probably want to average the autox runs to maintain the balance between events with something like that.

isn't this what Optima does for their ultimate street car challenge?  I think they also add a few other components but the idea applies

 

theruleslawyer said:

Interesting, though this- "Top times from each of the three competition elements will then be added to decide the winners." probably means the time attack is going to be more important than autocross. IME there tends to be more separation in TT. If I were running it, I'd throw in a 'must use the same time the whole weekend' in there.

It's not specifically mentioned but since it appears to be sanctioned as a TT event, I would assume the tire requirement still applies.

The other way to look at this is...you trade off all your Saturday TT laps for a handful of autocross runs.

Uh...no thanks.

Andy Hollis said:

The other way to look at this is...you trade off all your Saturday TT laps for a handful of autocross runs.

Uh...no thanks.

Yes, seems like it would be better if the autocross course and the track were in operation at the same time. While some classes are on track others could be running the autocross and vice versa. That would maximize driving time. 

I'm intrigued by the idea of multidisciplinary events in general. Mostly, though, I'm excited by the idea that the SCCA is combining theiir offerings in new and interesting ways.

Here in Central Florida, the TT program has shared track weekends with the road race program on several occasions, and that was exceedingly cool. Basically, TT groups made up two run groups within the regular schedule of the weekend. And everyone was paddocked together and had a really good time looking over each others' technology and comparing notes about what their approaches to their track time was like. I'm not sure it convinced anyone to cross over and try a different discipline, but it certainly gave everyone there a good perspective on what other folks in the club were doing.

CrashDummy said:

Andy Hollis said:

The other way to look at this is...you trade off all your Saturday TT laps for a handful of autocross runs.

Uh...no thanks.

Yes, seems like it would be better if the autocross course and the track were in operation at the same time. While some classes are on track others could be running the autocross and vice versa. That would maximize driving time. 

Imagine if you had to come hot off the track and immediately do your autocross runs with no cooldown period. It'd be amusing for those folks on one lap wonder tires.

In reply to JG Pasterjak :

Most of our MiDiv TimeTrials series events have been combined with club racing weekends. I agree that it is always interesting to look over and watch the wtw cars. Though we ran one event at Brainerd and I am not sure that the racers ever really figured out what we were doing.

theruleslawyer said:

CrashDummy said:

Andy Hollis said:

The other way to look at this is...you trade off all your Saturday TT laps for a handful of autocross runs.

Uh...no thanks.

Yes, seems like it would be better if the autocross course and the track were in operation at the same time. While some classes are on track others could be running the autocross and vice versa. That would maximize driving time. 

Imagine if you had to come hot off the track and immediately do your autocross runs with no cooldown period. It'd be amusing for those folks on one lap wonder tires.

Well...it's TT. You'd go out, do your one or two hot laps on track, take a nice cooldown lap and roll up to the autocross start with perfect temperature tires.

Would love to see rallycross added. Okay, that idea won't fly with many, but I like the idea of cars that can do it all.

In reply to J.A. Ackley :

It slices, it dices and can win a rallycross

J.A. Ackley said:

Would love to see rallycross added. Okay, that idea won't fly with many, but I like the idea of cars that can do it all.

Ooooh...I know.  Make people drive to/from/between the events to add a streetability component.  Time Trials, autocross, drag racing...even some circle track stuff.  Heck, make it a week-long affair to add an endurance element.

Nah...nobody'd be crazy enough to run something like that...

Andy Hollis said:

The other way to look at this is...you trade off all your Saturday TT laps for a handful of autocross runs.

Uh...no thanks.

I was in for the drive to Vegas this year.  Scratched off my list now. 

Add drag racing and you have the Triple Track Showdown that I run twice a year at BIR