And I'm no longer interested in the FT-86...

pres589 wrote: I remember my '73 Capri being rather quick. About 2200 pounds and 107 net hp. I think this will be fine.

I remember my '72 being a blast to drive. Damn. I got to finish that car!

MCarp22 wrote: I figure it won't be long until someone swaps a 2JZ-GTE in there for top end battles.

If it looks better in person than it does in pictures, i'll be hard pressed to resist buying one and putting a "proper" toyota motor in it.

I'm thinking some form of a 3s.

My CRX is about 2100 lbs with 110hp. It's not fast, but it's a blast to drive. Only thing better would be rear wheel drive.

I think it should get a 2jz, 1uz, 2rz, or something along the lines of those. Just my personal opinion though.

i'd be pretty happy with a lightish 200hp n/a flat 4, especially if it shares bolt patterns/mechanicals with WRX and STi engines. my e30 m3 is around 200hp and 2775# and it's quite entertaining, so here's hoping they dont mess up the weight or forget to design the beige toyota out of it.

I'm not a Subaru guy, but wouldn't there be a lot of aftermarket to make more power if you want? And I always assumed those flat engines had a lower CG.

belteshazzar wrote: i wanna say the original ae86 gts had, what, 130~ish?

IIRC, more like 115 hp. Again, weight is key. 200hp is fine. I am hoping for 2500-2700 lbs at this point as that is where the last Celica left off weightwise and close to the current civic coupe I believe. That would still give it about the same power-to-weight ratio as the miata and be like a rwd civic si. How can that not be the answer!

Now, can they make it handle like an rx-8 r3?

belteshazzar wrote: i wanna say the original ae86 gts had, what, 130~ish?

Heh try 115, I think 200hp will be perfect. As long as they can keep the weight down. RWD LSD 6speed manual, high 14 low 15 second 1/4 mile times should be possible and that is plenty fast if it handles too. If they made it 300hp it would get a high 20's pricetag and be in a bad place in the market. Look what Miatas can do with 16 second 1/4 mile timeslips. My Supra weighs about 2900 pounds has 153hp at the wheels and runs a 15.2 1/4 mile time and is plenty fun to drive.

I am still lusting after this car, the wallpapers on all of my computers have been changed to it.

sanman wrote:

belteshazzar wrote: i wanna say the original ae86 gts had, what, 130~ish?

IIRC, more like 115 hp. Again, weight is key. 200hp is fine. I am hoping for 2500-2700 lbs at this point as that is where the last Celica left off weightwise and close to the current civic coupe I believe. That would still give it about the same power-to-weight ratio as the miata and be like a rwd civic si. How can that not be the answer! Now, can they make it handle like an rx-8 r3?

115 in the USA, 130 ish in parts of Europe and Singapore (10 to 1 in those countries, the rest of the world got 9.4 to 1).

197hp from an n/a flat 4.... as with every car the numbers mean less then its feel. If it feels right, Toyota, whoops, sorry Scion should sell a few.

Tom Heath wrote: 197 is plenty...for about 2300 pounds. Weight is where I fear they're going to fail. I really hope I'm wrong.

12a RX7 had 115hp and weighed around 2500lb depending upon options

I guess I'm the only one that wants a 2dr, RWD STi.

Maybe they will offer a turbo version in a year or 2? We could really dream and ask for a convertible. I'm just glad SOMEONE is bringing out a rear drive coupe instead of another souless front drive box with 4 doors and a "sport" body kit. The above won't matter to me much anyhow. 1- I can afford it, regardless of the price. 2 gov't nanny controls will suck any fun out of the chassis unless Toyota gives us a complete and proper stability management defeat button. ( you know they won't) Yes, I'm in a cycnical mood.

In reply to z31maniac:

You are not, but it hasn't been on the table for like 2 years, from the get go it has been a NA boxter engine.

z31maniac wrote: I guess I'm the only one that wants a 2dr, RWD STi.

You aren't, I just prefer they make the car I can actually afford rather than another car I can only salivate about at the auto show.

I know, but I also read specualtion that the engine might be tuned more in the 240-250 range, obviously that isn't a realistic goal with 2.0 N/A.

Just disappointed mainly.

I'll still probably talk to the local Toyota dealers and ask about a test drive once they get a few in. Like someone mentioned earlier, if it still "feels right" it could be a go.

is it a 2.0 or 2.5 n/a?

z31maniac wrote: I know, but I also read specualtion that the engine might be tuned more in the 240-250 range, obviously that isn't a realistic goal with 2.0 N/A.

Um, I believe they've had 200+ hp 2.0L N/A boxser motors since around 1994 in Japanland. This isn't anything special!

z31maniac wrote:

Tom Heath wrote: 197 is plenty...for about 2300 pounds. Weight is where I fear they're going to fail. I really hope I'm wrong.

Exactly. I'm betting this car is going to be very close to 3000lbs. Even the newest Mini is ~2600-2700lbs?

I am not worried about the power 197 is fine. With the price they are coming in at, and the category they are going into, with the weight we all know it will be. Why?

Go buy a V6 Mustang and be done with it. Less Expensive, it can be had with BRAKES, and well let's face it, if you want a part for a pony car, go order it, if you can't find it, wait five minutes and search again, someone will have come out with it by then.

In reply to FlightService:

^^ Very good point. ^^

I hope we end up with the FT-86 they promised us, though. The new Mustang is many things, but it's no lightweight. A smaller, slimmer chassis appeals to me.

Well, I was never interested in it. The car was contrived from the start. It was never built on passion and design for a proper sports car. It was always a marketing job.

This is the problem: They are not making the car for GRMers, they are making it for all the autotragic driving jamokes out there who want a cheap coupe. They are also at the same time trying to please all of us that have been complaining that Toyota hasn't made a fun RWD car since the Supra. So they are trying to combine both. I hope it isn't a bad vehicle.

That being said, 197 hp is not a bad thing if the car is geared right. I hope it's gonna have a 6-speed so it wont be running 3000 rpm at 65 mph. The average person doesn't need anything over 200 hp. I imagine they will eventually have a turbo model and a huge aftermarket to appease the leadfooters.

aussiesmg wrote:

Tom Heath wrote: 197 is plenty...for about 2300 pounds. Weight is where I fear they're going to fail. I really hope I'm wrong.

12a RX7 had 115hp and weighed around 2500lb depending upon options

Not trying to be the Spec Nazi, but the SA22 Rx-7 only had a 100 hp. None the less, it was still peppy.

I will agree that Toyota is the milk-toast of the automotive kingdom. However, keep in mind that the masses want this in a car, and we aint the masses!

Also, be aware that Toyota knows it is a bland brand. So under the wisdom of buy low sell high, Toyota might be at its dill rock bottom low spot and about to do something about it. In that case, this could be a good product.

The styling is a bit too roger ramjet for me but at least it shows creativity. I can't ever seee anyone pulling another Miata out of the hat in our generation.

SyntheticBlinkerFluid wrote: . That being said, 197 hp is not a bad thing if the car is geared right. I hope it's gonna have a 6-speed so it wont be running 3000 rpm at 65 mph.

Honestly, my Ti had about 140 stock.. probably closer to 150 with the mods.. but with it's tight gearing, can easily keep up with the 325 and 328.. at least till around 50mph when I have to make that shift to third

dculberson wrote: 200hp sounds like a lot to me! But then, I'm stuck in the 90's at the moment, my most powerful v8 car has 260hp.

You drive a Caprice, don't you?