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Greg Voth
Greg Voth Reader
7/18/10 12:45 a.m.

A friend of mine has a 1961 Lincoln Continental. The idea of throwing a diesel in it has come up a few times. Question is what would be the best/easiest to swap in. It seems like the 4bt is pretty favored and would meet the power 175hp/350tq and mileage goals which is around 25mpg. The 6bt is more common and powerful but is quite a bit heavier and larger. As always cost is an issue.

I have overlooked the ford and chevy offerings. Should I look into them and if so what are the years/motors to get.

The general idea is to get a wrecked/rusted/ugly truck. Pull the drivetrain then scrap it and do the swap.

Appleseed
Appleseed SuperDork
7/18/10 1:11 a.m.

I would go to a diesel tuner site. Not for power, but to see which one offers more hop ups. That might indicate an ease of swap-ability. Or, hell, call Banks directly and see what they suggest..

integraguy
integraguy Dork
7/18/10 4:07 a.m.

An engine swap into a '61 Lincoln? This is a "family" site or I'd tell you what I think of that idea.

Wally
Wally GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
7/18/10 5:09 a.m.

The 4bt runs pretty rough, not what you might want in a Lincoln. I would think one of the v-8s would be better to fit in there.

Platinum90
Platinum90 SuperDork
7/18/10 7:52 a.m.

yeah, a turbo V8 might be better served to that application.

SVreX
SVreX SuperDork
7/18/10 7:59 a.m.

If there is any way to fit a 7.3L from a powerstroke under the hood, it would be an awesome swap.

Absolutely bulletproof, EASILY modded, 500 hp + 700 lb/ft simple with just a chip, readily available, reasonably priced.

It would also keep the Ford/ Lincoln family.

But is is an ENORMOUS lump. It's an awesome motor, but really big. Might fit in a Lincoln though.

Platinum90
Platinum90 SuperDork
7/18/10 8:12 a.m.

Being that 460s have been slotted under that hood for many years, I would say, you can fit many other types of engines under there as well.

patgizz
patgizz GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
7/18/10 10:49 a.m.

don't overlook the 6.5 turbo chevy with mechanical injection. packaged pretty much the same size as a big block chevy, which is similar in size to the 460. you could probably find a whole donor truck for the cost of a questionable 4bt or 6bt

2002maniac
2002maniac HalfDork
7/18/10 11:01 a.m.

Taureg v10 tdi

JFX001
JFX001 SuperDork
7/18/10 11:03 a.m.

www.lincvolt.com

z31maniac
z31maniac Dork
7/18/10 11:25 a.m.

Why not just throw a 5.3L GM truck motor in it?

Greg Voth
Greg Voth Reader
7/18/10 12:01 p.m.

The point is mainly to be different and pull down some decent mpgs.

Thanks for the suggestions thus far. As for the bastardization of the car, it has been sitting for a while and I would rather see it on the road than in a field.

SVreX
SVreX SuperDork
7/18/10 12:58 p.m.

"decent mpgs"

I get 22 mpg out of my 6500 lb F-250 powerstroke.

I'm just saying....

92dxman
92dxman HalfDork
7/18/10 1:09 p.m.

I think decent mpg's for a luxo barge would be 20+ mpg since they probably got 9-12 mpg with the big yacht motor from the factory.

CaptainSpaulding
CaptainSpaulding Reader
7/18/10 1:12 p.m.

A few months back Deisel power mag did a article on a early 60 caddy with the cummins swap.

My vote is cummins or a 6.9/7.3 idi Ford/International motor. 100% mechanical injected so the swap would be fairly easy.

Anyone here that recomended the the powerstroke notice how many powerstroke powered SDs have been converted over to a Cummins.

I wonder why

SVreX
SVreX SuperDork
7/18/10 1:26 p.m.

As a percentage of the overall number of vehicles built, extremely few. I'll bet almost zero use the Dodge trans.

We've all been through the Cummins/ Powerstroke/ Duramax debate. I've owned all 3. While I respect the Cummins (and would even consider it a better motor in some ways), I'll take a Ford over the Dodge ANY day of the week.

If the goal is to buy a used truck and swap the drivetrains at a reasonable cost, there isn't ANY point in talking about a Dodge. After market support, tuning bits, availability of low cost parts and the Ford will always win.

If the goal is to build something unique with absolutely no budget in mind, then talk to your Cummins powered SD friends. (but make sure you don't use the Dodge trans).

SVreX
SVreX SuperDork
7/18/10 1:32 p.m.

BTW- I don't work to hard to get 22 mpg out of my F-250. It's just a chip. No open exhaust, no fancy intakes, no unusual fuel additives, and no special driving techniques.

I beat the snot out of it, haul tools, and tow (a lot). 400,000 miles on the clock. Still get 22 mpg.

93gsxturbo
93gsxturbo Reader
7/18/10 5:12 p.m.
SVreX wrote: Absolutely bulletproof, EASILY modded, 500 hp + 700 lb/ft simple with just a chip, readily available, reasonably priced.

Show me a 94-98 Powerstroke that made a reliable 500+ horsepower with JUST a chip (no upgraded injectors at $1800/set, no extra high pressure oil pump, no intercooler, no exhaust work) and I will eat my hat.

Hell, I would be extremely doubtful you could add JUST a chip or programmer to a 99-03.5 Powerstroke and see an honest 500 horsepower even at the crank.

Banks, Hypertech, etc list their programmers and chips as +100 horsepower at the upper limit for the later 7.3 trucks, and those were not 400 horsepower diesel trucks to begin with.

As far as the OP, the real dictating thing about how you want to approach this will be the size of the engine bay. I have no doubt you could fit an I-6 or a V-8 in lengthwise in a Lincoln Continental, but the Cummins 4BT and 6BT is a tall engine. You would most likely need either a custom front end/crossmember and/or a custom oil pan and still might need a cowl hood or something to clear the engine. A cowl hood would look rediculous on a sweet Lincoln.

A P7100 inline pumped Cummins would far and away be the best engine to swap IF it will fit. They are silky smooth and lay down great power and economy. A rusty 2WD Dodge Cummins can be had cheap enough, or if the trans tunnel is big enough, look at buying a school bus or medium duty truck with the 5.9 P7100 pumped Cummins and an Allison transmission. There are plenty of $2500 school busses for sale that could donate an entire driveline to your project and have good scrap value when you get what you need.

A Chevy 6.2 or 6.5 V8 might be ideal especially if you are on a McBudget. You can get the whole running truck with a stout overdrive 2WD transmission for less than the cost of a new set of injectors for a Powerstroke. They will not lay down the numbers like a Cummins, but they run quiet and smooth and are relatively small. As stated they are comparable in size to a fully dressed big block. There are three options for turbocharger mounting, either a Banks sidewinder manifold, a stock 6.5 turbo truck manifold, or the Van mount that puts the turbo in the V like a Powerstroke or Duramax. You can run any 6.2 or 6.5 with minimal electronics using the mechanical pump from a 6.2 or a 1993 6.5. Even if you have to buy a mechanical pump, they are cheap, 600 bucks or less for a good remanned unit, and tons of good take outs are available also.

I don't think I would mess with a Powerstroke, even though it would be nice to keep it all in the family. Due to the electronical nature of the Powerstroke engine, you would need a complete donor truck to make an easy and cheap swap, wheras with the Cummins and 6.2/6.5s, just an engine and trans will get you into the game pretty quick. If you went with a Powerstroke, you would need the complete ECU and wiring harness with the engine to make the swap doable and it would take a lot longer than using mechanically controlled diesel.

If it was a "money and time is no object" swap, I would maybe do a Powerstroke swap, because it would be bad ass to pop the hood and see a Ford engine. If it was a "let's do this cheap and go cruise", you can't touch a 6.2/700R4 combo with a 6.5 turbo hung on it.

triumph5
triumph5 Reader
7/18/10 5:20 p.m.

As long as you're going to butcher a 61 lincoln, put in the good stuff: MTU diesel connected to a ZR1's transaxle. Didn't say it would be cheap or easy.

ronbros
ronbros Reader
7/18/10 5:21 p.m.

Lincoln made a diesel car, around 82-85, used a BMW 6cyl. engine turbod.

they were great on fuel and smooth runnin.

probably not many around now!

triumph5
triumph5 Reader
7/18/10 5:28 p.m.

In 1984, Ford Motor Co. purchased 3,794 BMW 2.4L, 115 hp turbodiesels for the Lincoln Mark VII and Continental."

"ENGINE, Diesel inline overhead cam six cylinder block - cast iron head - aluminum cubic inch displacement - 149 (2.4 litres) bore and stroke - 3.15 x 3.19 inches compression ratio - 23.0:1 braking horsepower - 115 @ 4800 rpms torque - 155 lbs @2400 rpms main bearings - 4 valve lifters - hydraulic fuel injection Vehicle Identification Number class - L CHASSIS wheelbase - 108.5 overall length - 202.8 inches height - 54.0 inches width - 70.9 inches front tread - 58.4 inches rear tread - 59.0 inches standard tire - P215/70R15 SBR WSW TECHNICAL transmission, diesel - four speed automatic with overdrive gears - 1st 2.73:1, 2nd 1.56:1, 3rd 1.00:1, 4th 0.73:1, rev 2.09:1 transaxle diesel - 3.73:1 steering - rack and pinion suspension - front modified MacPherson struts with anti-sway bar suspension - rear rigid axle with gas-pressurized shocks suspension - three point sensing four point auto-leveling air springs brakes - four wheel disc brakes body construction - unibody fuel tank - 22.3 US gallons FUEL ECONOMY MPG (city) - 23 MPG (highway) - 29 MPG (combined) - 25 Annual Fuel Cost - $1,020.00 Annual Greenhouse Gas Emissions - 8.40 tons Size Class - Midsize Cars Engine Size (liters) - 2.4 Cylinders - 6 Transmission - Automatic (4 sp) Drive - Rear-wheel drive Gas Guzzler - no Turbocharger - yes Supercharger - no Passenger Volume - 97ft (2D) Luggage Volume - 15ft (2D) Additional Engine Characteristics - (DSL,TRBO) Annual Fuel Costs and Greenhouse Gas Estimates are based on 45% highway driving, 55% city driving, and 15000 annual miles. Assumed Fuel Prices: Regular: 1.92 Premium: 2.11 Diesel: 1.70 CNG: .90 Electricity: 0.08 per kilowatt hour E85: 1.50 LPG: 1.40 GHG-Greenhouse gas emissions expressed in CO2 equivalents. Estimates include the full fuel cycle and exclude vehicle manufacture. (Ward's Auto World, Scuttlebutt, February 2000, U.S. Department of Energy, GREET Model, Argonne National Laboratory, Ford Motor Company, The Standard Catalogue of® Ford, ©The Lincoln Mark VII Club)"

kellym
kellym New Reader
7/18/10 5:38 p.m.

What diesel engines are in the sprinter vans, would one of these work?

CaptainSpaulding
CaptainSpaulding Reader
7/18/10 5:44 p.m.
SVreX wrote: As a percentage of the overall number of vehicles built, extremely few. I'll bet almost zero use the Dodge trans. We've all been through the Cummins/ Powerstroke/ Duramax debate. I've owned all 3. While I respect the Cummins (and would even consider it a better motor in some ways), I'll take a Ford over the Dodge ANY day of the week. If the goal is to buy a used truck and swap the drivetrains at a reasonable cost, there isn't ANY point in talking about a Dodge. After market support, tuning bits, availability of low cost parts and the Ford will always win. If the goal is to build something unique with absolutely no budget in mind, then talk to your Cummins powered SD friends. (but make sure you don't use the Dodge trans).

I wouldnt disagree with you. Hence why I said Cummins powered not Dodge tranny powered.

FYI I am on the original trans in my 03 Cummins. It has covered 96k miles 60k of those pulling race car trailers with out a single problem.

The truck is stock and I service the trans every 30k as indicated in the owners manual.

I have had terrible luck with the early Ford 4 spd auto trans.

As of right now I wouldnt trade my Dodge for any powerstroke.

I do however love my 89 F250 with the 7.3 idi.

calteg
calteg New Reader
7/18/10 5:46 p.m.

Most American Sprinters use a 2.7L mercedes-benz 5 cylinder diesel. It's compact enough, but then you're going back to the "needing an entire donor car" thing. And as the owner of a Sprinter, believe me, that's not cheap.

EvanR
EvanR New Reader
7/18/10 6:40 p.m.

A pair ov VW TDI I-4's linked with a chain. :)

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