mazdeuce - Seth
mazdeuce - Seth Mod Squad
1/2/21 9:52 a.m.

This is my paddock starter for race bikes. I currently hate it. 

My frustrations stem from the starters, the solenoid, and the whole systems inefficiency and succeptability to voltage drops. There have to be lighter more efficient two bolt Ford starters available for not absurd money. Help me GRM. 

EvanB (Forum Supporter)
EvanB (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
1/2/21 10:25 a.m.

Does it really need two starters to get a race bike started? I would think just one starter on one roller and the other one just on bearings would reduce some weight and voltage demand. 

Jesse Ransom (FFS)
Jesse Ransom (FFS) GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
1/2/21 10:39 a.m.

What EvanB said. Having two starters seems like a pretty nutty way to get both rollers driving.

I wonder how hard it would be to come up with a belt and pulleys to link them.

Or maybe that's not even necessary... Small engines that are easier to turn and small wheels that drop further into the rollers and thus trig their way to higher roller pressure per pound.

And just yanking one starter seems like the simplest experiment.

gumby (Forum Supporter)
gumby (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand Dork
1/2/21 10:48 a.m.

Yes, there are newer PMGR type 2bolt Ford starters that can simplify and lighten that setup.

Mid-nineties F150 with a 5.0 should get it handled. Check the offset, auto vs manual use a different bendix depth.

mazdeuce - Seth
mazdeuce - Seth Mod Squad
1/2/21 10:54 a.m.

In reply to EvanB (Forum Supporter) :

I was running it off just one, I disconnected the other. The starter is the "big" one that should be able to start 750ish four stroke race bikes. It's struggling to start the 150. Part of that is the cable issue, but these are NOT high torque starters in the least. It should, in theory, start all of my little race bike with just one, and that's the plan. 

mazdeuce - Seth
mazdeuce - Seth Mod Squad
1/2/21 10:55 a.m.
gumby (Forum Supporter) said:

Yes, there are newer PMGR type 2bolt Ford starters that can simplify and lighten that setup.

Mid-nineties F150 with a 5.0 should get it handled. Check the offset, auto vs manual use a different bendix depth.

How do I measure that? Am I checking the depth that the gear extends? 

EvanB (Forum Supporter)
EvanB (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
1/2/21 11:04 a.m.

Have you tried calling the number on the sticker and telling them you have a starting problem? cheeky

wawazat
wawazat Dork
1/2/21 11:04 a.m.

Lots of interesting Ford starter stuff.   Here is one document  Ford starter stuff

Ive been happy with my high torque starter from Powermaster.   Lots of options.

jfryjfry (FS)
jfryjfry (FS) Dork
1/2/21 11:21 a.m.

X2 on 90's f150's or Mustangs for a factory mini starter.   Just swapped one into our 72 bronco to replace the heavy, weak old original starter

 

gumby (Forum Supporter)
gumby (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand Dork
1/2/21 12:03 p.m.

3205 is AT
3223 is MT


mazdeuce - Seth
mazdeuce - Seth Mod Squad
1/2/21 12:10 p.m.

mazdeuce - Seth
mazdeuce - Seth Mod Squad
1/2/21 12:14 p.m.

Distance to the end of the nose on mine is 2 1/8 ish. So the AT version? Looks right?

Edit: Checked the pictures on the big computer instead of my phone and it's definitely the AT version. Gumby rules. 

gumby (Forum Supporter)
gumby (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand Dork
1/2/21 12:21 p.m.


 

Auto looks right

*edit. Your NAPA part number crosses as expected, you should be all set!

mazdeuce - Seth
mazdeuce - Seth Mod Squad
1/2/21 12:26 p.m.

Except the center is....centered? 

gumby (Forum Supporter)
gumby (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand Dork
1/2/21 12:34 p.m.

The PMGR interchanges without issues on a factory diameter flywheel application. On your custom application the difference in center vs offset bendix may not play nice. No real way to know without trying

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