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Sparkydog
Sparkydog Reader
10/2/18 11:09 a.m.

And Sampson Boat Co. Between Leo and the Acorn guys I'll have enough Youtube episodes to last a decade or more.

NOHOME
NOHOME UltimaDork
10/2/18 11:32 a.m.

In reply to Sparkydog :

Very much so.

What I love about SV Seeker and Arabella is that neither team has ANY nautical experience, and yet they are not worried about it. Going to laugh when they all find out they have terminal motion sickness!

Leo is an old salt by comparison.

 

Pete

MulletTruck
MulletTruck HalfDork
10/2/18 12:02 p.m.

There is a kid on Youtube that thought he might die before seeing Binky finished that he made a simulation video of it running around a street course. The comments were funny.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SjLg7b98us&t=100s

Knurled.
Knurled. GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
10/2/18 12:21 p.m.
Keith Tanner said:
Robbie said:
Knurled. said:

Ah yes, my favorite subject.

 

And by "favorite" I mean "AW HELL NAW".

 

It's not that I hate wiring.  It's that it is really, really hard to make any kind of wiring look professional, and not like a giant wad of multihued spaghetti, and I am a perfectionist.

 

This episode does make me think it might not be so bad to forge ahead with my idea of using a complete Miata wiring harness in my RX-3, at least.

I got the entire wiring harness from a miata to swap into my mgb as well. I really do like the idea of using a good harness from a more modern car.

My MG has just enough MG wiring to let me use Lucas switches. The rest is either Miata or Camaro.

 

I'm with The0retical. I like wiring. It's all so logical and you can concentrate on one circuit at a time. Snaking an unused wire out of a harness is satisfying like pulling dried white glue off your fingertips wink

That is the part I do not like about wiring: you CANNOT just focus on one circuit at a time.  You lay out one subassembly, then you need to add another one, after you add something, and a third one, and by the fourth one you realize it would have been neater to do it a different way since now you have a bunch of redundant powers and/or grounds, and you're now deep down the road to Spaghettiville. 

 

So you have to define your wiring harness's goals FIRST, and take the Stick O' Smartness to the gug who says, hmm, you know what let's run electric gauges. And then later, an electric fuel pump.  And after all that is done, let's move the battery to the trunk, making half the loom you just made redundant....

Knurled.
Knurled. GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
10/2/18 12:22 p.m.
Keith Tanner said:
Appleseed said:

I would rather stick my dick in a vise than do wiring.

Surely there is a third option.

I spent the whole rest of the episode waiting for the "...and don't call me Shirley".

 

 

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
10/2/18 12:23 p.m.
Knurled. said:
Keith Tanner said:
Robbie said:
Knurled. said:

Ah yes, my favorite subject.

 

And by "favorite" I mean "AW HELL NAW".

 

It's not that I hate wiring.  It's that it is really, really hard to make any kind of wiring look professional, and not like a giant wad of multihued spaghetti, and I am a perfectionist.

 

This episode does make me think it might not be so bad to forge ahead with my idea of using a complete Miata wiring harness in my RX-3, at least.

I got the entire wiring harness from a miata to swap into my mgb as well. I really do like the idea of using a good harness from a more modern car.

My MG has just enough MG wiring to let me use Lucas switches. The rest is either Miata or Camaro.

 

I'm with The0retical. I like wiring. It's all so logical and you can concentrate on one circuit at a time. Snaking an unused wire out of a harness is satisfying like pulling dried white glue off your fingertips wink

That is the part I do not like about wiring: you CANNOT just focus on one circuit at a time.  You lay out one subassembly, then you need to add another one, after you add something, and a third one, and by the fourth one you realize it would have been neater to do it a different way since now you have a bunch of redundant powers and/or grounds, and you're now deep down the road to Spaghettiville. 

 

So you have to define your wiring harness's goals FIRST, and take the Stick O' Smartness to the gug who says, hmm, you know what let's run electric gauges. And then later, an electric fuel pump.  And after all that is done, let's move the battery to the trunk, making half the loom you just made redundant....

EVERYTHING is easier if you have a plan when you start.

NOHOME
NOHOME UltimaDork
10/2/18 12:29 p.m.

In reply to Keith Tanner :

My plan has always been to figure it out as I go. Problem with forward planning is that it often illuminates the fact that you should not do it in the first place.laugh

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
10/2/18 12:38 p.m.

I love the planning stage. You roll things around in your head, come up with different solutions and different ideas. The more challenging the concept, the more time you get to spend mulling it over and the more likely you are to come up with a really cool concept you missed at first.

The rest is just implementation.

pres589
pres589 PowerDork
10/2/18 12:50 p.m.

I always liked drawing wiring diagrams for aircraft systems.  I really miss doing that, actually.  Where I lack magic ability is the physical build-up.  

Did they mention their plan for integrating the engine and related electronic items into the MG ZR harness?  There's the issue of integrating all of the engine items into one side of the harness and then getting an ECU working.  Almost seems like a totally new harness makes the more sense OR just reusing the Celica wiring for that part of the build.

Streetwiseguy
Streetwiseguy UltimaDork
10/2/18 1:42 p.m.
Keith Tanner said:

I love the planning stage. You roll things around in your head, come up with different solutions and different ideas. The more challenging the concept, the more time you get to spend mulling it over and the more likely you are to come up with a really cool concept you missed at first.

The rest is just implementation.

I totally agree, as long as the job eventually gets done. There is the danger of paralysis by options, too.

I have often just stopped what I'm doing for up to a week, and have generally been happy about the delay with the result.

mainlandboy
mainlandboy Reader
10/2/18 2:03 p.m.
Robbie said:
Knurled. said:

Ah yes, my favorite subject.

 

And by "favorite" I mean "AW HELL NAW".

 

It's not that I hate wiring.  It's that it is really, really hard to make any kind of wiring look professional, and not like a giant wad of multihued spaghetti, and I am a perfectionist.

 

This episode does make me think it might not be so bad to forge ahead with my idea of using a complete Miata wiring harness in my RX-3, at least.

I got the entire wiring harness from a miata to swap into my mgb as well. I really do like the idea of using a good harness from a more modern car.

Along with the drivetrain, I reused a Miata wiring harness in my scratch built rat rod, but boy was it a lot of work to modify the harness to route the wires nicely in a completely different car. Here is a during picture:

I've really been enjoying the Project Binky series. Aside from being thoroughly entertaining, it makes me feel better about how long it is taking me to build my car. Current state, since starting in 2014:

 

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
10/2/18 3:18 p.m.
pres589 said:

I always liked drawing wiring diagrams for aircraft systems.  I really miss doing that, actually.  Where I lack magic ability is the physical build-up.  

Did they mention their plan for integrating the engine and related electronic items into the MG ZR harness?  There's the issue of integrating all of the engine items into one side of the harness and then getting an ECU working.  Almost seems like a totally new harness makes the more sense OR just reusing the Celica wiring for that part of the build.

They didn't mention that - I was listening for it. It could be that the Celica wiring is fairly standalone like an LS controller. With those, all you need to hook up is basically power, ground and tach/fuel pump signals.

I don't usually suffer from design paralysis. But if I don't want to start something, it's usually because I'm not happy with the plan I've worked out. If I keep noodling away at it, I'll come up with something and suddenly the way ahead becomes very clear.

pres589
pres589 PowerDork
10/2/18 3:27 p.m.

It seems the easiest way to accomplish this.  There's also the question of a management change; they could go with some 3rd party solution like Haltech or a 'squirt, etc.  I don't know about regulations there and what they can do on a registered road car.  I feel like we won't find out for a while.

I  have to say that I love how the battery and power distribution board stowed together.  I could see myself spending a day trying to figure that all out.

Knurled.
Knurled. GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
10/2/18 4:47 p.m.
Keith Tanner said:

I love the planning stage. You roll things around in your head, come up with different solutions and different ideas. The more challenging the concept, the more time you get to spend mulling it over and the more likely you are to come up with a really cool concept you missed at first.

The rest is just implementation.

On the project that I am almost finished with, that is how I started.  Planned out looms for the various electrical add ons, to the point that I said berk it, I'm going the throw a load reduction relay and auxiliary fusebox under the dash.  Drew a wiring diagram, laid out the wiring in a neat and logical way, etc.

 

And then, in the midst of projectitis, I was given a whole lot more things to put in.

 

Coming up with a plan is one thing, sticking to it has always been the thing that kicked my ass.

wheelsmithy
wheelsmithy GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
10/2/18 5:02 p.m.

It is almost like wiring is Nik and Richard's forte. Outstanding!

Oh, and I'll be honest, a wiring harness transplant never occurred to me. Sure, pirating, and re-purposing, but never an out and outright swap.

MulletTruck
MulletTruck HalfDork
10/4/18 11:01 a.m.
wheelsmithy said:

It is almost like wiring is Nik and Richard's forte. Outstanding!

Oh, and I'll be honest, a wiring harness transplant never occurred to me. Sure, pirating, and re-purposing, but never an out and outright swap.

The "B is for Build" guy took a whole BMW harness and stuck it in his M5 swapped 280Z. Seemed he could have trimmed it up a bit and saved about 150lbs from the car.

The0retical
The0retical UltraDork
10/4/18 11:07 a.m.
MulletTruck said:
wheelsmithy said:

It is almost like wiring is Nik and Richard's forte. Outstanding!

Oh, and I'll be honest, a wiring harness transplant never occurred to me. Sure, pirating, and re-purposing, but never an out and outright swap.

The "B is for Build" guy took a whole BMW harness and stuck it in his M5 swapped 280Z. Seemed he could have trimmed it up a bit and saved about 150lbs from the car.

I thought the 2JZ swap wiring job he did on the BRZ was going to give me brain cancer. I'm honestly surprised he didn't have more electrical issues than he did.

I understand why he's doing things like he is (content creation rather than fully realized build) but wow does it set a poor example for acceptable workmanship.

NOHOME
NOHOME UltimaDork
10/4/18 11:07 a.m.

The effort  and talent that goes into the build videos, ( boat or car) is pretty much on par with the effort for what is being built.

 

Pete

MulletTruck
MulletTruck HalfDork
10/5/18 1:40 p.m.
The0retical said:
MulletTruck said:
wheelsmithy said:

It is almost like wiring is Nik and Richard's forte. Outstanding!

Oh, and I'll be honest, a wiring harness transplant never occurred to me. Sure, pirating, and re-purposing, but never an out and outright swap.

The "B is for Build" guy took a whole BMW harness and stuck it in his M5 swapped 280Z. Seemed he could have trimmed it up a bit and saved about 150lbs from the car.

I thought the 2JZ swap wiring job he did on the BRZ was going to give me brain cancer. I'm honestly surprised he didn't have more electrical issues than he did.

I understand why he's doing things like he is (content creation rather than fully realized build) but wow does it set a poor example for acceptable workmanship.

Yeah, I just recently saw his page so the Z is the only thing I have seen. His style is very grating, I cant believe he has any sponsors just by the way he is going about things, His whole crisis with the Rocket Bunny kit is not really warranted, its not designed to go on a stock body. If he would just cut the wheelwells he would have no trouble fitting it. He better get some real professional help if he plans on having it at SEMA

  

Robbie
Robbie GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
10/5/18 2:42 p.m.
Keith Tanner said:

But if I don't want to start something, it's usually because I'm not happy with the plan I've worked out. If I keep noodling away at it, I'll come up with something and suddenly the way ahead becomes very clear.

This is a very cool piece of insight. I know exactly what you are talking about cuz I have been there often.

procainestart
procainestart Dork
11/23/18 7:05 p.m.

There is new Project Binky material up - a deeper look into the flex-shaft system from Episode 20. Apologies if this is old news -- I searched this site for "Binky"

 

https://youtu.be/0tzWC2G3mr0 

 

 

Knurled.
Knurled. GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
11/23/18 7:13 p.m.

In reply to procainestart :

I did tag it on to the Episode 20 thread but wider distribution is a good thing.

 

(Here I was hoping that Part 2 was put up)

Daylan C
Daylan C SuperDork
11/23/18 8:20 p.m.

I caught myself judging Nick's lathe technique watching that video and it felt really weird.

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