Feedyurhed
Feedyurhed Reader
11/23/08 3:06 p.m.

This is strictly FYI. Some will like it, some will hate it, most won't care. If it's old news, kindly move along.

Link:
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/high_performance/best_worst_lists/2009_10best_cars_10best_cars

ddavidv
ddavidv SuperDork
11/23/08 4:23 p.m.

If you go there, don't read the comments from readers. You'll lose IQ points.

PHeller
PHeller Reader
11/23/08 4:23 p.m.

I'm always surprised that the GTI hangs in on that list.

In this case, I would've thought the Speed3 would've edged it out.

maroon92
maroon92 SuperDork
11/23/08 4:40 p.m.

Cobalt SS Turbo has proven itself faster than either....(food for thought)

mtn
mtn Dork
11/23/08 4:55 p.m.
ddavidv wrote: If you go there, don't read the comments from readers. You'll lose IQ points.

+1. An S2000 better than a Miata? are they even comparable? Different class of roadster there.

Strizzo
Strizzo Dork
11/23/08 6:10 p.m.
maroon92 wrote: Cobalt SS Turbo has proven itself faster than either....(food for thought)

and the revised WRX better than both, but its not on the list either

EricM
EricM Reader
11/24/08 9:11 a.m.

It is my opinion that that list is ranked in order of advertising dollers spent at C&D.

pinchvalve
pinchvalve GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
11/24/08 9:24 a.m.

Brock Yates is no longer with C&D, so really, what's the point in publishing the magazine anyway?

JmfnB
JmfnB GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
11/24/08 9:29 a.m.

I read somewhere that the Cobalt SS ran another Fastest Lap on the Nurburgring beating an Acura that held the record. And I still like the 25K Cobalt SS over the 35K Impreza WRX.

maroon92
maroon92 SuperDork
11/24/08 9:53 a.m.

yeah, I think the Cobalt SS turbo sedan holds the record for production Front wheel drive?

on another note, Renault just broke the record for Front Wheel Drive cars with the Renaultsport Megane R26.R shod with Toyo Proxes R888's...8'17"

aircooled
aircooled Dork
11/24/08 9:59 a.m.

I believe the Cobalt just finished 1st and 2nd (against mostly S2000's and RX8's) in Touring 3 in the SCCA runoffs also.

Of course I am pretty sure their list is not "fastest" car, but more of an "all around best" car. I am curious what makes the GTI better than the Speed3 though? VW's legendary reliability!?!? Reading their description seems to describe a Speed3, but slower with less interior room...

car39
car39 Reader
11/24/08 11:42 a.m.

I first subscribed to C&D in 1969. I stopped 2 years ago when they became Motor Turd with an ampersand in the middle. The only thing I missed was the 10 best list, thanks for showing me I'm not really missing anything.

neon4891
neon4891 Dork
11/24/08 11:47 a.m.

And the miata was on the list... what, nobody else notice that

maroon92
maroon92 SuperDork
11/24/08 12:21 p.m.

the NC MX-5 does not a Miata make...

Feedyurhed
Feedyurhed Reader
11/24/08 7:21 p.m.
neon4891 wrote: And the miata was on the list... what, nobody else notice that

And the Miata was the only 08 on a 09 10 best list.

Kramer
Kramer Reader
11/25/08 9:07 a.m.

C&D puts too much weight in their "gotta have it" score. They should leave the subjective part of the equation to the prospective buyers.

procainestart
procainestart HalfDork
11/25/08 1:20 p.m.
PHeller wrote: I'm always surprised that the GTI hangs in on that list.

I once spent a day autocrossing an '07 GTI at a practice event -- I drove dozens of runs. The best part of the driving experience was the trip from the site to Wendy's for lunch. Seriously, it was a nice, comfortable car to drive around in on the street...but a soft, numb pusher around the cones.

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