Can Albert Biermann Add Some BMW Magic to Hyundai?

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During the 2019 Nürburgring 24-hour race, we sat down with Albert Biermann, the former BMW exec who now serves as the head of Hyundai's R&D.

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I think he already has.

Feedyurhed said:

I think he already has.

THIS.

bobzilla said:

Feedyurhed said:

I think he already has.

THIS.

looks at veloster N in my driveway....

I agree

MrChaos said:

bobzilla said:

Feedyurhed said:

I think he already has.

THIS.

looks at veloster N in my driveway....

I agree

Regretting picking a Civic Si over the N at the moment :( 

In reply to DirtyBird222 :

I mean you can get a new Si for $24k i paid iirc 27.5k for my N PP.  so the si is cheaper

MrChaos said:

In reply to DirtyBird222 :

I mean you can get a new Si for $24k i paid iirc 27.5k for my N PP.  so the si is cheaper

I was debating both, costs not being a major player in my decision. I know Honda's I'm comfortable with them, and my better half also hit me with the "well it's cheaper too." Si is a great car; but, I'm wishing I would have taken the risk on the N. 

In reply to DirtyBird222 :

what i want is the i20 N.

or the GR yaris....

MrChaos said:

In reply to DirtyBird222 :

I mean you can get a new Si for $24k i paid iirc 27.5k for my N PP.  so the si is cheaper

The Si is the Veloster turbo competitor where the N is the CTR competitor. CTR's are going for $34k (retail at $37k) where the N is going for $25k ($28k retail). Veloster Turbo's are around $20-21k compared to the Si's $23-24k. So no.... the comparable cars the Honda is more expensive. 

In reply to bobzilla :

I'm assuming you're talking about the non-performance pack Veloster N's?  They're finally starting to offer PP Veloster N's with Hyundai incentives, so I'm seeing them around 28k now.  With the '19 models around here, we had some scumbag dealers trying to tack on 5K ADM charges.

Feedyurhed said:

I think he already has.

This. I couldn't care less what other numb and soulless BMW comes out with next. I was pretty disappointed with the M4, M2, and M340i's I recently drove and I would bet my kidney that the VN is more fun than all of those. 

In reply to Tactical Penguin :

on cars.com I just sorted cheapest of each type and model. I couldn't tell you which was what. But they were 5-8k typically cheaper than the CTR.

goingnowherefast said:

Feedyurhed said:

I think he already has.

This. I couldn't care less what other numb and soulless BMW comes out with next. I was pretty disappointed with the M4, M2, and M340i's I recently drove and I would bet my kidney that the VN is more fun than all of those. 

Yep. BMW is officially dead to me. And I've owned 4 of them and driven many more.