Challenge questions... free rare car value

BTW, found this pic of one the other day... it's really what got my mind going about it again.

darkbuddha wrote: BTW, found this pic of one the other day... it's really what got my mind going about it again.

I need a moment alone now, excuse me...

MG_Bryan wrote:

DrBoost wrote: Oh my! The teaser pic made me want to touch myself. The whole pic did the trick! Can you post pics of the current condition. I have NO idea what it's worth and am sure i wouldn't even after seeing the pics but man I gotta see it! Was the designed by Pannin-Farina? Man that thing is stunning.

Designed by OSI (Officine Stampaggi Industriali)

I'd heard of OSI, but never knew what it stood for or what else they designed. I see lots of Italian in that car. From the Lancia-esque front end, Ferrari 250 rear fenders, and those delicate mirrors and door handles.
I'd really LOVE to see the current condition of the car you have. Just because I want to live vicariously through you.

BAT Link: http://bringatrailer.com/2009/11/09/odd-ball-italian-coupe-ford-osi-20m-ts/

Sold for $6300 in 2009 for a fairly sorted and running example.

That's freakin beautiful.

A quick google search turned up a decent one in Europe:

http://www.finecars.cc/en/detail/car/32075/index.html

Given that asking price for a driver-quality car, FMV for a really rusty one could be well down into Challenge money.

A Jalopnik article makes it sound a lot like Ford's Euro version of Volvo's 1800: sporty looking car with ho-hum performance:

http://jalopnik.com/220770/the-most-beautiful-ford-in-the-world-1967+68-ford-osi-20m-ts

darkbuddha wrote: I'm glad folks like it. So whatch'all think it's FMV is for the Challenge then? Yeah... that's what I figured too. Still, even if it wasn't competitive, it would've been a cool car to show up with, right? ....

MG_Bryan wrote: Does spilling the beans result in a thread with lots of pictures of you restoring it?

Not any time soon... I talked to my pop tonight and it's gonna be on hold for a while I guess. Something about getting the damn Mach 1 finished and finishing up a couple Fiat projects. I do have a habit of overcommitting, starting a bunch of stuff, and then kinda letting it sit a while, so it seems fair to finish cooking what we've already got on the burner. BTW, we "collected" a few cars over the years and about 25 years ago we put several in a dirt floor barn on a fairly remote bit of land in NC. The Osi was one of them. The barn is now semi-inaccessible due to being completely surrounded by 5-6" diameter trees that have grown up around it over the years. The only thing we know is that the car is pretty rusty from the peaks we can get through the gaps in the doors. BTW, I thought about an SHO Yamaha V6... make good power and sound fantastic, but we figure a decently built common-as-dirt 2.9 Cologne V6 (the stock motor is a 2.3 Cologne V6) should fit easily, mate to the 4 speed, make adequate power, and sound pretty good. In fact, for drivability sake, the 2.9 came EFI in tons and tons of stuff in the late '80s, so that'd be an option using MS. I do promise that whenever something happens with it, I'll post pics of the unearthing and the restoration.... hopefully in 2012.

Wait a tick... it has the 2.3? Didn't the only make like 220 or so with that engine? The majority were 2.0 Liters. If you wanted to throw a whole lot of money at it, the Weslake Cologne V6 heads as seen in Capri on tracks in Europe once upon a time are still available. The price makes that a truly absurd suggestion, but it would be my pipe dream fantasy if I had that car.

Of all of the awesome stuff people on this board are working on or plan to build, this interests me the most. I'm eagerly awaiting the beginning of whatever you do with it.

As someone who loves odd old cars. Please don't do this.

imirk wrote: BAT Link: http://bringatrailer.com/2009/11/09/odd-ball-italian-coupe-ford-osi-20m-ts/ Sold for $6300 in 2009 for a fairly sorted and running example.

After seeing those pics I think it needs wire wheels. And the rear and should have stopped where the roof meets the body. But it's still a great looker. What suspension is under that baby?

Don't worry... ain't gonna make a "euro" Mustang out of it. I've got a Mustang, and I respect the Osi too much to ruin it like that.

I know there is a ton out there for the Cologne V6s... well, overseas anyway. But on the advice of a very experienced guy that's built about a bazillion of them, the good news is that they apparently respond well to the simple stuff: compression, cam, and carb. I like simple.

Really need to get to work clearing my table so we can get to this soon.

I have seen my new lust, I shall seek far and wide, for mine eyes have seen nirvana.

This one looks challenge friendly

In reply to oldtin:

is that a slant nose

oldtin wrote: This one looks challenge friendly

That would give me nightmares. Endless dreams of the rust growing faster than I could cut it out.

I do fear how bad ours is once we actually get it out of the barn. But even if it's as bad as that one, we will fix it. We will fix it.

dlmater wrote:

oldtin wrote: This one looks challenge friendly

That would give me nightmares. Endless dreams of the rust growing faster than I could cut it out.

Really... that car makes my crusty 1800ES look "solid".

darkbuddha wrote: I'm glad folks like it. So whatch'all think it's FMV is for the Challenge then?

[pawn shop guy in Trading Places] In Philadelphia, it's worth fifty bucks. [/pawn shop guy in Trading Places]

FWIW, i'm pretty sure the pawn shop guy is Bo Diddley.

If I may return to the original question:

I would propose that whatever a scrapyard was willing to pay should be acceptable.

If you can prove long term ownership, straight line depreciation should be good enough also.

FMV is impossible to set for a lot of interesting hulks and I would hate to see them excluded.

If you want to get the car running and don't care about a show room restoration, why not put an all aluminum 4 banger in there? Or, going back a few years, a Ford 2.3 turbo?

Brett_Murphy wrote: Or, going back a few years, a Ford 2.3 turbo?

That's been a consideration for a while, especially since I have a bunch of parts and experience with 'em. But they're heavy and sound like, well, a Pinto. The Cologne V6 can have a bit of a half-a-V12 sound with the right bits, which seems more appropriate for this car.

Is a reasonably built SBF out of the question for this car? I'm in the camp that never heard of these before, so take my thoughts with a sizeable grain of salt. But that shape says GT car to me, with a nice lazy, torquey V8 burbling through twin pipes.

I think physical space may be an issue. Something tells me that car is smaller than it looks in some of these pictures. That little V6 doesn't look like it has a lot of room around it for 2 additional cylinders. Likewise, a 2.3T may be too tall.

FMV will likely depend a lot on the condition it's in when you can dig it out of the barn. If it looks like the car on the trailer above, then yeah... scrap value.

What about a 2.5 V6 from a Probe? All aluminum, too.

For an out of the box thought - alfa 3 liter v6. Sound is awesome, italian to fit the character of the car - just not sure how wide those are.

oldtin wrote: For an out of the box thought - alfa 3 liter v6. Sound is awesome, italian to fit the character of the car - just not sure how wide those are.

If it fits, I vote for this engine. Beautiful engine to match a beautiful car:

alex wrote: Is a reasonably built SBF out of the question for this car? I'm in the camp that never heard of these before, so take my thoughts with a sizeable grain of salt. But that shape says GT car to me, with a nice lazy, torquey V8 burbling through twin pipes.

The answer yes... with a bit of chassis reinforcement I think though. Would look something like this:

More pics of this Osi here: http://www.dr-mustang.com/index.php?name=coppermine&file=thumbnails&album=692

As sexy as this car is when viewed from a corner, when viewed from the side, the proportions look off...

Still... a SBF with down-draft Webers...

And I love the gated shifter.