In reply to Tom Suddard :
Would an OEM seat with integral 3 point belts qualify if properly bolted into a vehicle that either came with no belts or lap belts only?
In reply to Tom Suddard :
Would an OEM seat with integral 3 point belts qualify if properly bolted into a vehicle that either came with no belts or lap belts only?
In reply to Tom Suddard :
Thanks!
So free stuff needs to be available to anyone. Are we allowed to solicit for free stuff?
Say we want a muffler because driving the car 2200mi and no overdrive/V8, and say there is a local muffler shop that does a lot of brodozer stuff, can I go ask for a scrap-destined take-off?
In reply to barefootskater :
Yes.
Tom Suddard said:You know, we didn't have a rule clarifying this. Here it is:
(Added 3/14/19): Every entry is required to have a seat belt or harness for the driver. OEM three-point seat belts may be retained. If the OEM belt is not three-point, or if the driver’s seating position has been modified significantly, then a racing harness is required. Racing harnesses must have a minimum of five points, and may be no more than two years old. Older harnesses that have been professionally re-webbed, inspected and re-certified within the previous two years are acceptable.
May I politely challenge the 3 point requirement? Nhra requires seat belts with zero definition of how many points to 11.50. At 11.49 sfi harness is required. I have gone through tech and made many a 100+mph pass with lap belts in a car from the time before the government required cars to have them.
I have a potential challenge build that predates the seatbelt mandate that has optional factory lap belts and will under no circumstances be modified for a shoulder harness or 5 point. If it excludes this particular car from competition, I need to know so I don’t have to worry about budget
Any reason for the two year rule when FIA belts are usually good for 5 years?
Patrick said:Tom Suddard said:You know, we didn't have a rule clarifying this. Here it is:
(Added 3/14/19): Every entry is required to have a seat belt or harness for the driver. OEM three-point seat belts may be retained. If the OEM belt is not three-point, or if the driver’s seating position has been modified significantly, then a racing harness is required. Racing harnesses must have a minimum of five points, and may be no more than two years old. Older harnesses that have been professionally re-webbed, inspected and re-certified within the previous two years are acceptable.
May I politely challenge the 3 point requirement? Nhra requires seat belts with zero definition of how many points to 11.50. At 11.49 sfi harness is required. I have gone through tech and made many a 100+mph pass with lap belts in a car from the time before the government required cars to have them.
I have a potential challenge build that predates the seatbelt mandate that has optional factory lap belts and will under no circumstances be modified for a shoulder harness or 5 point. If it excludes this particular car from competition, I need to know so I don’t have to worry about budget
Lap belts would greatly simplify things, but we'll adhere to whatever the requirements are.
Since we aren’t door to door / wheel to wheel, can there be an allowance for out-of-date harnesses? Like Patrick’s, my Challenge car was originally equipped with lap belts only.
In reply to Patrick :
So, the NHRA lack of definition means that a 1 point should work.
Also known as a noose! 
(I’d be pretty surprised if a lap belt would suffice. GRM has 3 different insurance aspects thawy would need to adhere to- the NHRA track, the auto cross club host, and their own liability insurance).
There's some discussion in the "Rules" thread (link)about the Challenge date changing. Do we have a definitive answer yet?
In reply to Indy-Guy :
Yes. I replied in that thread—date is Oct. 25-26.
In reply to Marjorie Suddard :
Thanks for the clarification.
In reply to Indy-Guy :
Any time—sorry it was needed. Didn’t realize you guys were still asking about the dates.
In reply to Marjorie Suddard :
Just a heads up, I can't get to 2000challenge.com.
Weird. It’s loading fine for me. I will ask web guys to check it.
Margie
In reply to Marjorie Suddard :
What are the guidelines regarding tuning of a challenge car?
I’d like to try a variety of intakes, carbs, fuel injection, supercharged, turbo charged.
It’s all junk I’ve got sitting around. Do I just settle on something and whatever the cost/ value of the parts is what I put down? Or if I buy/ rent equipment to test something is that added to the cost?
I used to test a tune up by running up a marked off hill with a stop watch, so do I add the value of the chalk, stop watch? What about if I use O2 sensors to help get the mixture right but don’t use them on the actual car?
In reply to frenchyd :
You price what's on the car. You can rent or buy all the equipment you want to figure out a spec, then price the stuff used on the car at the Challenge. Nothing in your last sentence goes into the budget.
Example: I bought $200 worth of jigs and fixtures to help with building my car, but they don't go on the car, so they're not in the budget.
In reply to frenchyd :
IIRC it should just be what is actually ON the car at the Challenge when you're making your runs. It's been stated before that laptops and the likes used for tuning MS, Wideband sensors, etc. don't have to be in the budget as long as they're NOT in/on the car when it's running the events (or, I suppose, on the Concours...) at the Challenge. Similarly anything external like the chalk, stop watch, and equipment used to work on the car/test- AS LONG AS you (or someone on your team) are the one who is using it. I.e., if you rent/buy a lathe to fabricate a part that's fine but if you have to pay someone else to do it (run the lathe) than it goes into the budget.
I don't remember though what the ruling was for things like paying for dyno time if you were to go that far...
In reply to Ashyukun (Robert) :
I’d think dyno time would be the same, Since it’s not on the car during the event it shouldn’t count. You don’t learn anything on a dyno that a lap top won’t tell you. Oh, maybe bragging numbers, but I’ve got programs that will do a pretty good job of providing those.
Besides, I’m not sure my personal budget will allow me the cost of bringing it down. I’d Just like to build it according to the rules.
On the car at the Challenge = in the budget at the Challenge. There is a written exception for data logging equipment like a laptop or GoPro.
NO !
ALSO the whole 2000 challenge thread is for these Questions 'Cause it was like 1400+++ pages and needed a Home. I haven't a problem with a Camera, but won't you look Silly when a Carborater Beats you..
Agreed to purchase a vehicle last night with the intent of using it as a parts vehicle for a challenge build!
I'm in Canada, does the exchange rate apply on date of purchase or date of challenge? Is the rate Google gives me good enough?
In reply to Run_Away :
Date of purchase, because that's what you actually spent. IMO, YMMV, call your doctor for erections lasting longer than 4 hours, etc.
Cool, thanks.
Also, since shipping cost counts for parts how does the following situation work:
I buy parts online and have them shipped to a parcel service in North Dakota rather than Winnipeg as shipping internationally costs an arm and a leg (at least double, sometimes more). I drive 1hr south and pick up my packages, pay the parcel place for their services, pay tax/duty at the border, and drive home.
What do I claim on the budget - just the shipping cost to ND? Shipping cost to ND plus the $6/parcel service fee? Taxes are exempt, I'm assuming duty is as well.
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