In reply to Cotton :
My wife is lobbying for a few year old garage queen hellcat when the truck is paid for.
In reply to Cotton :
My wife is lobbying for a few year old garage queen hellcat when the truck is paid for.
z31maniac said:A 401 CJ said:z31maniac said:NickD said:Just don't order the erroneously named "Lightweight Package" on your Hellcat Redeye
https://jalopnik.com/im-pretty-sure-the-2019-dodge-challenger-srt-hellcat-re-1832266979
Ordering a "Lightweight Package" on a 4400lb car seems silly anyway.
That's what my '11 Frontier Pro-4X with the "luxury" package weighed.
Wrong. Nowhere does it say the “lightweight” package is in reference to the car. It is, in fact, in reference to your wallet.
I'm not sure what you're saying wrong to.
You got me
Patrick said:In reply to Cotton :
My wife is lobbying for a few year old garage queen hellcat when the truck is paid for.
She’s a keeper! I’m the same way...eventually want to snag a low mileage garage queen. The hellcats are such a blast to drive.
I hope you guys onow you can bolt a supercharger onto a Mustang for way less and get very similar power with warranty in a much lighter car..... If I wanted to go insane-o power no doubt this is option #1. There is some dealer in Ohio selling Roush supercharged 5.0s for 39999. That’s enough to make a guy say Hellyeah! Hellyeah > Hellcat inless its WW2 vintage and those have 2000 hp.
In reply to AnthonyGS :
Dude we're talking Challengers here. No logic applies. It's a dumb stupid pointless car. But I like it and want one. (Specifically a yellow widebody scat pack 6mt car)
AnthonyGS said:I hope you guys onow you can bolt a supercharger onto a Mustang for way less and get very similar power with warranty in a much lighter car..... If I wanted to go insane-o power no doubt this is option #1. There is some dealer in Ohio selling Roush supercharged 5.0s for 39999. That’s enough to make a guy say Hellyeah! Hellyeah > Hellcat inless its WW2 vintage and those have 2000 hp.
Some of it comes down to personal preference, I think. For example, I'm not a big fan of the current Mustang styling, especially the '18 mid-cycle refresh front end. I think the Challenger is much better looking, especially in widebody form where the flares break up the slab sides. Also, the Challenger has more interior room and better visibility, which makes it a bit easier to live with on a daily basis.
NickD said:AnthonyGS said:I hope you guys onow you can bolt a supercharger onto a Mustang for way less and get very similar power with warranty in a much lighter car..... If I wanted to go insane-o power no doubt this is option #1. There is some dealer in Ohio selling Roush supercharged 5.0s for 39999. That’s enough to make a guy say Hellyeah! Hellyeah > Hellcat inless its WW2 vintage and those have 2000 hp.
Some of it comes down to personal preference, I think. For example, I'm not a big fan of the current Mustang styling, especially the '18 mid-cycle refresh front end. I think the Challenger is much better looking, especially in widebody form where the flares break up the slab sides. Also, the Challenger has more interior room and better visibility, which makes it a bit easier to live with on a daily basis.
I'd have to mostly agree. My favorite looking of the Coyote-era cars is the '13-'14. I'm not a huge fan of the weird sloped rear end on the new ones.......I realize it's probably an aero thing.
AnthonyGS said:I hope you guys onow you can bolt a supercharger onto a Mustang for way less and get very similar power with warranty in a much lighter car..... If I wanted to go insane-o power no doubt this is option #1. There is some dealer in Ohio selling Roush supercharged 5.0s for 39999. That’s enough to make a guy say Hellyeah! Hellyeah > Hellcat inless its WW2 vintage and those have 2000 hp.
Things don’t always have to make sense. At one point I was shopping for a viper and bought a 930. Now enter the guy that says ,”man for the same money as that old Porsche you could have bought x,y,z cheaper and it handles better and has more powers”. I don’t care, I wanted that 930, it doesn’t always have to make sense.
AnthonyGS said:I hope you guys onow you can bolt a supercharger onto a Mustang for way less and get very similar power with warranty in a much lighter car..... If I wanted to go insane-o power no doubt this is option #1. There is some dealer in Ohio selling Roush supercharged 5.0s for 39999. That’s enough to make a guy say Hellyeah! Hellyeah > Hellcat inless its WW2 vintage and those have 2000 hp.
I hate mustangs.
I can also nitrous a hellcat and put 1000 to the wheels. There is zero logic to a discussion about cars like this. It’s all about what the individual wants. And I don’t want a mustang because berkeley mustangs, every Bob Costas has one.
NickD said:Just don't order the erroneously named "Lightweight Package" on your Hellcat Redeye
https://jalopnik.com/im-pretty-sure-the-2019-dodge-challenger-srt-hellcat-re-1832266979
So what's it say? Junklopnik is just too painful to read these days.
In reply to AnthonyGS :
Also, I would be concerned about long-term durability of parts. Sure, maybe the Mustang engine and driveline can be boosted to Hellcat power levels, but it wasn't necessarily designed to handle it. The Hellcat on the other hand, every part on it was engineered to live at 707hp, so in theory it should live longer and hold up to that up abuse better.
I headed over to the Dodge site and found something interesting. When I selected the 8 speed auto, yes I did, I don't see the point in three pedals in a car like this. Although the auto costs $1,600 more, because you get rid of the gas guzzler tax, the over price only changes by $595.
Adrian_Thompson said:NickD said:Just don't order the erroneously named "Lightweight Package" on your Hellcat Redeye
https://jalopnik.com/im-pretty-sure-the-2019-dodge-challenger-srt-hellcat-re-1832266979
So what's it say? Junklopnik is just too painful to read these days.
The $0 lightweight package comes with rear floor mat delete, a "lightweight washer bottle" and a manual tilt/telescope column, which maybe cuts 5-10lbs if you are feeling generous. But it requires you to order the power sunroof (there's ~25lbs in the roof, the worse place for weight), the Harmon Kardon sound system (the rear subwoofers are 14lbs, not including speakers and other weight) and the widebody package (unknown weight but not negative, when you factor in the flares and bigger wheels and tires) and tacks on $9590 to the price. So the "free" "Lightweight" package costs $9590 and adds 50-100lbs to the car.
I just can't wait to hear someone try and order a replacement washer bottle at the parts store in the future "Washer bottle? Does your car have a subwoofer or not?"
In reply to Adrian_Thompson :
The 8-speed auto in the Challenger is a good one. It does what it's told, and doesn't hinder the driving experience at all. It will shift luxury car smooth if you ask it to, and will bang gears like an old TH400 with a shift kit with the touch of a button. Honestly, I wouldn't mind living with that over the 6-speed manual in a car like this.
I already can't use the mid 4 sec 0-60 of the 135i except onramps, which I rarely see since my commute doesn't have a speed limit higher than 45.
But I miss hearing a big V8 roar to life in the morning when I leave.
I do know I'm going to put the 135i up for sale properly in the next week or two. And may just buy a super cheap beater, or just Uber for the three days I go into the office.
Daylan C said:In reply to AnthonyGS :
Dude we're talking Challengers here. No logic applies. It's a dumb stupid pointless car. But I like it and want one. (Specifically a yellow widebody scat pack 6mt car)
You do make a great point. It is definitely one cool ride.
Tony Sestito said:In reply to Adrian_Thompson :
The 8-speed auto in the Challenger is a good one. It does what it's told, and doesn't hinder the driving experience at all. It will shift luxury car smooth if you ask it to, and will bang gears like an old TH400 with a shift kit with the touch of a button. Honestly, I wouldn't mind living with that over the 6-speed manual in a car like this.
The local dealer had a Demon, and the owner cruised around in it all summer. When he would leave stop lights, it just sounded awesome with the 8-speed clicking through all the gears.
NickD said:In reply to AnthonyGS :
Also, I would be concerned about long-term durability of parts. Sure, maybe the Mustang engine and driveline can be boosted to Hellcat power levels, but it wasn't necessarily designed to handle it. The Hellcat on the other hand, every part on it was engineered to live at 707hp, so in theory it should live longer and hold up to that up abuse better.
Not really a concern. A 700 hp Mustang with a Roush supercharger has a full powertrain warranty when installed by a Ford dealer or other certified installer.
You can get a supercharged s550 at plenty of dealers with a full warranty, service etc. You can also do it for 39,999 for a base manual GT. Add the perf pack, Recaros, etc and you can do it under $50.
If you want a 700+hp Hellcat fighting Mustang just wait for the new GT500. Well over 700hp, DSG trans, actual race car aero etc.
may not look as cool, but it’s going to be a complete animal.
Adrian_Thompson said:If you want a 700+hp Hellcat fighting Mustang just wait for the new GT500. Well over 700hp, DSG trans, actual race car aero etc.
may not look as cool, but it’s going to be a complete animal.
Will also likely be $85k+
AnthonyGS said:NickD said:In reply to AnthonyGS :
Also, I would be concerned about long-term durability of parts. Sure, maybe the Mustang engine and driveline can be boosted to Hellcat power levels, but it wasn't necessarily designed to handle it. The Hellcat on the other hand, every part on it was engineered to live at 707hp, so in theory it should live longer and hold up to that up abuse better.
Not really a concern. A 700 hp Mustang with a Roush supercharger has a full powertrain warranty when installed by a Ford dealer or other certified installer.
You can get a supercharged s550 at plenty of dealers with a full warranty, service etc. You can also do it for 39,999 for a base manual GT. Add the perf pack, Recaros, etc and you can do it under $50.
It's Lebanon Ford, and you do get a powertrain warranty, but it's 3/36, instead of 5/60.
And as far as I know you can't buy an extended warranty (if that's you're kind of thing). Just so we know it's not the "real" warranty.
It's the same kind of thing Edlebrock does if you have an ASE tech install their supercharger on a BRZ, Edlebrock gives you a 3/36 powertrain warranty. You lose the 5/60 Subaru warranty.
There is a world of difference. Let me rephrase that. There is a galaxy if difference between a fully engineered GT 500 and a regular GT with a blower on. Just as there is a world of difference with the hellcat or demon. The GT500 is very different from the base cars
Adrian_Thompson said:There is a world of difference. Let me rephrase that. There is a galaxy if difference between a fully engineered GT 500 and a regular GT with a blower on. Just as there is a world of difference with the hellcat or demon. The GT500 is very different from the base cars
No doubt, wasn't trying to imply otherwise.
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