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John Welsh
John Welsh Mod Squad
1/9/23 12:12 p.m.

In reply to Curtis73 (Forum Supporter) :

Possibly. Admittedly, I don't speak Subaru 

Toyman!
Toyman! GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
1/9/23 12:15 p.m.

In reply to Curtis73 (Forum Supporter) :

My mother's Ascent has been less than perfect since new. Lots of trips back to the dealer for window and lock issues, as well as several check engine lights. I'm pretty sure it's the last Subaru they will ever buy. 

For extreme abuse, I'd lean toward a Malibu or maybe a Fusion. They will run badly longer than many cars will run. 

 

bobzilla
bobzilla MegaDork
1/9/23 2:24 p.m.

Elantra or Forte would be a good option. The rental we had in Hawaii had 50k hard miles on it and drove perfect. The CVT was the closest to a normal CVT I've been in a long time and we AVERAGED 38mpg that week. driving around an island from sea level to 5500 ft. 

bobzilla
bobzilla MegaDork
1/9/23 2:27 p.m.
Pete. (l33t FS)
Pete. (l33t FS) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
1/9/23 5:32 p.m.
bobzilla said:

Elantra or Forte would be a good option. The rental we had in Hawaii had 50k hard miles on it and drove perfect. The CVT was the closest to a normal CVT I've been in a long time and we AVERAGED 38mpg that week. driving around an island from sea level to 5500 ft. 

The Elantra with 90k that I looked at today (2015 model year) was 2 quarts low on oil after about 2200 miles.  Not good odds for someone who does not check their oil, or know that it is low but they will get around to it tomorrow.  Er, the day after that.  Maybe the weekend.

 

I am not picking on any specific manufacturer, but the "drive and ignore" vehicle does not exist.  Everything needs attention, so I suggest something disposable that also has a low oil level warning.  But some people can break a crowbar in a sandbox... most 2l Imprezas (FB20) have low oil lights, those get ignored and people run them out of oil until they eat a rod bearing or timing chain slap breaks a guide or two.

I had a customer with a four cylinder Saturn VUE who had his engine replaced three times because he never checked his oil, too.  One would think the lesson would be learned the first time, or the second.

My favorite was the commercial account with a fleet of Chevy box vans that would regularly come in for various repairs with the oil 2-4 quarts low.  When asked if they wanted us to top it off for them, "no, we have a guy that does that."  No you do not.  You might have a guy but he does not do that.

Pete. (l33t FS)
Pete. (l33t FS) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
1/9/23 8:07 p.m.

Here's a video I forgot I made.  Forester (no oil level sender) came in for something else entirely.  It had a half quart of oil in it.

 

 

Apply brakes, oil pressure light comes on.  (Crinkly noise is paper floor mat)

 

Honestly, I think Toyota should dust off the automatic oil adder system the Previa had, use it in everything, and market it to other manufacturers.  Maybe they could do a technology trade with GM, GM gets automatic oil adders and Toyota gets evap systems that are simple and work.

Curtis73 (Forum Supporter)
Curtis73 (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
1/9/23 9:08 p.m.

I should clarify that they are pretty good about maintenance.  They do oil changes and tire rotations, and they actually read the owner's manual to see when things like coolant flushes are recommended.  I wouldn't say they always remember the fringe stuff like coolant flushes, but basic maintenance they do well with.

It's the stuff that creeps up on them.  I remember driving their previous K2500 and noticing that the front wheel bearings were going bad.  Things that are slow progressions they don't really notice like a gearhead would.

Maintenance, they're great.  Identifying when something is wrong and needs attention, not so much.

GTwannaB
GTwannaB GRM+ Memberand Dork
1/9/23 9:26 p.m.

Maxima? Mazda6?

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