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93EXCivic
93EXCivic MegaDork
9/19/12 10:12 p.m.

Is there a vehicle out there that is decently capable off road (aka 4x4), can tow a small trailer with a motorbike and ATV on it, has A/C, can get 20mpg city and has decent room (aka bigger then Sammy but smaller then those box Suburbans) for less $4k? My first thought was XJ but I don't think those get 20 city. Bonus points for manual transmission.

Not asking for much.

Travis_K
Travis_K SuperDork
9/19/12 10:22 p.m.

Cucv blazer?

Zomby Woof
Zomby Woof UltraDork
9/19/12 10:24 p.m.

Last gen Tracker/Sidekick will do all that.

EvanB
EvanB GRM+ Memberand UberDork
9/19/12 10:27 p.m.

Just go back and read Pheller's threads, I'm sure he asked for something like that.

Javelin
Javelin GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
9/19/12 10:29 p.m.

In the rest of the world it's easy, small diesels. We don't have them here. An XJ with the EFI 4.0 and no lift or rack might get 20 in town with a stick and careful driving. Sane tires, some engine mods, and maybe some gears to help.

Javelin
Javelin GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
9/19/12 10:30 p.m.

Wait, what about an Astro? What do those get MPG wise?

MrJoshua
MrJoshua PowerDork
9/19/12 10:30 p.m.

Confused. Has OP not heard of Subaru?

93EXCivic
93EXCivic MegaDork
9/19/12 10:31 p.m.
Zomby Woof wrote: Last gen Tracker/Sidekick will do all that.

I had a feeling one of those Suzuki thingies would do that but I couldn't remember what it was called.

93EXCivic
93EXCivic MegaDork
9/19/12 10:33 p.m.
MrJoshua wrote: Confused. Has OP not heard of Subaru?

I guess an outback might work. I don't know if they are quite capable as I would like off road.

Javelin
Javelin GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
9/19/12 10:35 p.m.

Forester might do it best, actually...

Cotton
Cotton Dork
9/19/12 10:36 p.m.
Javelin wrote: In the rest of the world it's easy, small diesels. We don't have them here. An XJ with the EFI 4.0 and no lift or rack might get 20 in town with a stick and careful driving. Sane tires, some engine mods, and maybe some gears to help.

I'm going with this as well. our 99 xj 4.0/auto returned 19mpg average before I lifted it...and I have a heavy foot. I think with a light foot and a manual you'll be good.

I regularly towed dirtbikes and atvs with ours. I also towed the Beetle in my avatar when my regular tow rig was down.

Cotton
Cotton Dork
9/19/12 10:40 p.m.
Travis_K wrote: Cucv blazer?

I have one of those too....no ac and it's hard to add it with the dual alternators in place. Still a fun rig, rear roof comes off, and very capable off road. Not near as many creature comforts as an XJ, but would tow better.

Flight Service
Flight Service SuperDork
9/19/12 10:42 p.m.

Not pimping the non-GRM but yeah, Subaru maybe your winner here.

offroadsubarus.com/

JohnRW1621
JohnRW1621 PowerDork
9/19/12 10:46 p.m.

Lately, the Suzuki Grand Vitara XL7 has been getting my attention.

http://nashville.craigslist.org/cto/3154492959.html#.UFqQN1LyDMw
Stretched Geo Tracker with small V6 and real transfer case. I think tow capacity is 3,500lbs. EPA when new was 17/19/20 which is about same as XJ.

novaderrik
novaderrik SuperDork
9/19/12 11:07 p.m.
Javelin wrote: Wait, what about an Astro? What do those get MPG wise?

AWD Astros aren't known for their offroad capabilities.. the one i had was great in the snow, but i wasn't gonna take it offroad.. it got 17mpg no matter how i drove it or what was in it..

my answer to this thread would be an early 90's Suburban with the TBI 350, but that was ruled out byt the OP for whatever arbitrary reason.

JohnyHachi6
JohnyHachi6 HalfDork
9/19/12 11:11 p.m.

How about a four cylinder 4 Runner?

Appleseed
Appleseed PowerDork
9/19/12 11:20 p.m.
JohnyHachi6 wrote: How about a four cylinder 4 Runner?

This IS the droid you're looking for.

Mike
Mike GRM+ Memberand Reader
9/19/12 11:25 p.m.
JohnRW1621 wrote: Lately, the Suzuki Grand Vitara XL7 has been getting my attention. http://nashville.craigslist.org/cto/3154492959.html#.UFqQN1LyDMw Stretched Geo Tracker with small V6 and real transfer case. I think tow capacity is 3,500lbs. EPA when new was 17/19/20 which is about same as XJ.

Seats 5 or 7, depending on options, and has an available manual.This was going to be my answer.

accordionfolder
accordionfolder Reader
9/20/12 12:09 a.m.

The scoob has my vote. Subaru seems to fit the bill nicely.

fast_eddie_72
fast_eddie_72 UltraDork
9/20/12 12:43 a.m.

sachilles
sachilles Dork
9/20/12 7:18 a.m.

Early Wrangler unlimited?

GameboyRMH
GameboyRMH GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
9/20/12 7:28 a.m.

Oh, I know, I know! Pick me!

Early '90s 2-door Montero:

Also available with 4 doors if that's not too big:

^And of course the 4runner above is awesome but I thought it's bigger than what you're looking for.

Bobzilla
Bobzilla UltraDork
9/20/12 7:38 a.m.
Mike wrote:
JohnRW1621 wrote: Lately, the Suzuki Grand Vitara XL7 has been getting my attention. http://nashville.craigslist.org/cto/3154492959.html#.UFqQN1LyDMw Stretched Geo Tracker with small V6 and real transfer case. I think tow capacity is 3,500lbs. EPA when new was 17/19/20 which is about same as XJ.
Seats 5 or 7, depending on options, and has an available manual.This was going to be my answer.

This or the non-stretched GrandVitara. GREAT vehicles, very capable offroad, even on street tires, get decent mpg and did I mention they love the offroad?

93EXCivic
93EXCivic MegaDork
9/20/12 7:42 a.m.

So far according to the EPA, the only one that gets 20 city is the Tracker but the Subarus are close at 19. I am sure I could get there. I am trying to budget and save for next year which includes a honeymoon, moving (and getting the last bits of furniture we need) and I could really use a new DD. The Civic keeps coming up with issues and at some point it isn't going to be daily transport.

pinchvalve
pinchvalve GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
9/20/12 7:50 a.m.

I had a 4CYL Sidekick for year and it would go anywhere. Tough little vehicles and a lot of fun. No power at all, but the V6 would help a bit.

FWIW, the Isuzu Trooper (late 80's) came with a turbo diesel. In your price range, probably looking at 150,000+ miles if you can find one. Make sure the factory recall to Gen 3 rods has been done.

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