Interesting law. Apparently it's also against the law to sell used parts without a license?
I guess that makes it kind of tough on the guy that parts out cars for spare cash.
Interesting law. Apparently it's also against the law to sell used parts without a license?
I guess that makes it kind of tough on the guy that parts out cars for spare cash.
So I took my car apart to restore and then lost interest and decided to sell off the pieces.
Maybe there are guys stripping 5-6 cars st a time?
Looks like a 2016 law. Very weird. But there are restoration exclusions so hobbyists shouldn’t be impacted. See bottom of link for exclusions. https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/?1dmy&urile=wcm:path:/dmv_content_en/dmv/vehindustry/ol/dismantler
i wonder if this really is problem or just another way to help combat chop shops.
Edit: the laws also state, the way I read it, that dismantling is the reduction of a car to scrap. So if you don’t do that you’re ok.
Fueled by Caffeine said:Edit: the laws also state, the way I read it, that dismantling is the reduction of a car to scrap. So if you don’t do that you’re ok.
So after you sell off the usable parts, you need to keep the hulk sitting around to be legal? Yeah, sounds like a Kalifornia law.
It says if you do no more than 3 cars a year you don't need the license.
It's mostly likely a mechanism for controlling pollutant run off which licensed scrapyards must have a mitigation plan.
It's also possible it's aimed at people that horde cars like that guy we were talking about in Michigan with a couple hundred hulks on the property a few months ago. People like that can't realistically restore all of the cars, and even if they did they generally aren't exactly restoration grade, so the state wants a way to get rid of them.
It's also possible the state just wants the revenue for licensing breakers.
Also the 3 car limit is pretty high for a hobbyist.
Pretty low for this group.
Tell me again why I want to live in California?
Appleseed said:Pretty low for this group.
Tell me again why I want to live in California?
you don't - you just want to want to.
fidelity101 said:Appleseed said:Pretty low for this group.
Tell me again why I want to live in California?
you don't - you just want to want to.
Yes.. but then I get off an airplane there and the weather.....
In reply to Fueled by Caffeine :
FIGHT THE URGE RUST BELT BUILDS CHARACTER!!!
Oh boy, here we go again. I know of zero effect that law has had on people who do what we do. But if it gives you another reason to hate California, I guess go for it. Your state sucks too because (check what applies: weather, lack of economic opportunity, low-lifes (insert ethic/social group here), insects, just plain boring, additional grievances to be named....)
With the 3/year exclusion it shouldn't impact hobbyists much, but man that flyer is misleading. I can see many situations where a nosy neighbor would call police based on info on the flyer when someone wasn't breaking the law at all.
Think with your thinkin' parts. They're fighting chop shops - if you dismantled 6 cars in a year, they're probably not going to track you down and eat you for lunch.
In reply to accordionfolder :
my weiner is not erect
Need more laws against things that are already illegal to begin with.
Maybe then people will stop doing said illegal things.
In reply to fidelity101 :
They sell pills for that. 
Its like anything else, Do it responsibly and no one will bother you. Dont piss off your neighbors and everything will be ok.
In reply to dculberson :
California has a number of snitch incentives in place, eg: out of state vehicle registrations and watering lawns on the wrong days to name a pair, so I can't say I'm surprised.
When I used to go shoot in the BLM I'd pull my car into the front garage, close the door and pack the rifles with the door closed to avoid any questions about if they were registered (for the record they didn't need to be as they were CAL legal semi-automatics which were in the state before the new registration went into effect) then leave from there. The neighbor across the way was pretty nosey and I didn't want to deal with the hassle.
OTOH The neighbors right next door that could see what I was doing was a special forces operator in Vietnam and thought it was hilarious when I'd walk out with an M1A to deal with coyotes or wild dogs when my dog warned us about them being in our yard or his.
accordionfolder said:In reply to fidelity101 :
They sell pills for that.
thats where I do my thinking from
I think to be fair that 3 rusty cars from the Northeast should only be considered 1, whats fair is fair 
FuzzWuzzy said:Need more laws against things that are already illegal to begin with.
Maybe then people will stop doing said illegal things.
If criminals gonna crime anyway, then might as well get rid of all the laws instead. 
In reply to Driven5 :
There's a difference between making a new law for something criminal versus adding more things to an existing law that really only affects those who were doing it legally to begin with.
Last I checked, running chop shops were a crime well before this law.
This is just California looking for more ways to get as many taxes/licensing fees as they possibly can.
Federal Code:
18 U.S. Code § 2322 - Chop shops
(a)In General.—(1)Unlawful action.—
Any person who knowingly owns, operates, maintains, or controls a chop shop or conducts operations in a chop shop shall be punished by a fine under this title or by imprisonment for not more than 15 years, or both. If a conviction of a person under this paragraph is for a violation committed after the first conviction of such person under this paragraph, the maximum punishment shall be doubled with respect to any fine and imprisonment.
(2)Injunctions.—
The Attorney General shall, as appropriate, in the case of any person who violates paragraph (1), commence a civil action for permanent or temporary injunction to restrain such violation.
(b)Definition.—
For purposes of this section, the term “chop shop” means any building, lot, facility, or other structure or premise where one or more persons engage in receiving, concealing, destroying, disassembling, dismantling, reassembling, or storing any passenger motor vehicle or passenger motor vehicle part which has been unlawfully obtained in order to alter, counterfeit, deface, destroy, disguise, falsify, forge, obliterate, or remove the identity, including the vehicle identification number or derivative thereof, of such vehicle or vehicle part and to distribute, sell, or dispose of such vehicle or vehicle part in interstate or foreign commerce.
(Added Pub. L. 102–519, title I, § 105(a), Oct. 25, 1992, 106 Stat. 3385.)
California Code:
California Vehicle Code 10801 VC makes it a crime to knowingly own or operate a “chop shop.”
What is a “chop shop”?
A “chop shop” is anyplace where someone knowingly:
In reply to FuzzWuzzy :
You caught 'em - they're trying to bring the man down on the regular folk.
I miss California :(
yupididit said:I miss California :(
I've softened on it recently. When I was living there it seemed like a huge hassle since they seem to hate everything I like but since I left I've basically become apathetic towards cars and guns. I'm not a huge gun fetishist anyway and the second kid just makes me want a quiet couch with a warranty to drive.
I also never realized how much even just surface rust bothers me until I moved back to the northeast.
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