I've seen several project builds on Dirt Every Day featuring a new Cummins 2.8L turbo diesel crate engine. It's not priced very grassroots, but it is a terribly cool idea. I thought some of you guys might get a kick out of it if you haven't seen it. The new generation of control by wire packaging makes stuff like this easier to adapt every day, if not cheaper.
Given the grayed out icon on their website, it looks like there's a bigger model in the works too.
dang, that doesn't seem like a terrible deal for an older truck as long as you could easily get the drivetrain to mate up.
Depending on how much you can DIY, yeah. There are a number of shops around the country working with Cummins to prove the engine in different applications. At least a couple I've seen are using custom mapped BCU controlled GW 6 speed autos. Power levels aren't huge, but seems very useable. I find it interesting that Cummins is very much reaching out to the high-end builders and developing a knowledge base to assist others in building stuff.
only 500 and some odd pounds too. that is not bad at all. Something like that in a ranger or an older land rover could be fun
That pricing is right in line with an LS or EcoBoost crate, nothing wrong there.
Hmmmm. That's only 50 lbs heavier than the old 2.25 lump in my Series Land Rover. Anybody putting manual transmissions behind these yet?
Pretty cool idea for swaps... Would love to see it in something really GRM. Maybe a crown vic or caprice wagon.
In reply to Keith Tanner :
Fred Williams has one of these 2.8s in his TJ with an AX15 behind it. Advance Adapters made the adapter setup. Not sure if it was just a one off or if they planned on putting the kit into production.
In reply to Keith Tanner :
The "Tube Sock" Wrangler from Dirt Every Day has an NV3550 as far as I can tell.
Keith Tanner said:Anybody putting manual transmissions behind these yet?
The documentation shows the engine with a manual transmission, but doesn't say what kind was being used.
Drat... was hoping the power ratings would be higher than the 7.3 IDI in my E350... but alas not.
If I had the coin, I'd love to put something like that in my XJ.
Ian F said:Drat... was hoping the power ratings would be higher than the 7.3 IDI in my E350... but alas not.
throw in the banks?
Keith Tanner said:That pricing is right in line with an LS or EcoBoost crate, nothing wrong there.
Hmmmm. That's only 50 lbs heavier than the old 2.25 lump in my Series Land Rover. Anybody putting manual transmissions behind these yet?
this was made for a series! which one are you slowely moving around town in? I got very close to pulling trigger on a series II a couple of years ago.
Keith Tanner said:That pricing is right in line with an LS or EcoBoost crate, nothing wrong there.
Hmmmm. That's only 50 lbs heavier than the old 2.25 lump in my Series Land Rover. Anybody putting manual transmissions behind these yet?
Looks like a SAE bellhousing, tons of options.
Here's a LINK to a build thread by a shop doing the 2.8/6auto I mentioned...in a Land Rover Discovery. This shop owner was on a recent Dirt Every Day Extra episode if you have the Motor Trend streaming package, discussing this and other projects.
grover said:Ian F said:Drat... was hoping the power ratings would be higher than the 7.3 IDI in my E350... but alas not.
throw in the banks?
Just checked. Nothing really available for vans. Not surprising since the engine itself barely fits. Not sure where a turbo and related piping would go.
Maybe the Cummins "coming soon" engine could be an option.
grover said:Keith Tanner said:That pricing is right in line with an LS or EcoBoost crate, nothing wrong there.
Hmmmm. That's only 50 lbs heavier than the old 2.25 lump in my Series Land Rover. Anybody putting manual transmissions behind these yet?
this was made for a series! which one are you slowely moving around town in? I got very close to pulling trigger on a series II a couple of years ago.
I've got a 1967 Series IIa 88" named Basil.
I have enough other stuff going on right now, but this engine plus a Disco donor would be pretty awesome.
I took the online survey and one of the questions asked about interest in crate engines for not only the R2.8, but also a R5.0 V8 and the R6.7 inline 6. So while not currently shown as crate engines, it seems they may be in development.
Seems like the Grassroots answer is the older Cummins 4BT. They are mechanical injection so no ECU to worry about. Found in lots of bread trucks, forklifts and such.
Rattle rattle rattle shake shake shake
Keith Tanner said:Rattle rattle rattle shake shake shake
Everyone says that, yet the 4bt body on frame trucks at my workplace don't shake one damn bit, it's no worse than a gas v8
81cpcamaro said:Seems like the Grassroots answer is the older Cummins 4BT. They are mechanical injection so no ECU to worry about. Found in lots of bread trucks, forklifts and such.
4BT: 750+ lbs, 38" tall, 24" wide, 30" long 105hp/265lb-ft
2.8L: 475+lbs, 28.5" tall, 26" wide, 25" long 210hp/385lb-ft and probably a warranty
That's an impressive weight difference. Isn't the 4BT basically the 6BT with the last two cylinders sawn off? That would make it about 4.0l. I wonder how the 2.8 is so much lighter?
That's not the R2.8L specs they list on the website:
R2.8 Turbo Diesel Specs
In reply to Keith Tanner :
My WAG: The 4BT was developed as a light commercial/industrial engine. The 2.8 was developed as a light truck engine. The former is likely to get more abuse and a heavier build.
Plus, some 25+ years of design and materials improvement.
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