Does anyone know what manual transmissions bolt up to the 1.6 Ecoboost engine to make it RWD?
Does anyone know what manual transmissions bolt up to the 1.6 Ecoboost engine to make it RWD?
Never mind. I just read this thread and got scared away......
https://classicmotorsports.com/forum/grm/10l-ecoboost-for-a-rwd-swap/90068/page1/
Things may have changed on the control side in the last couple years since that thread was written. IIRC, Ford offers the 3.5 EB as a crate motor with supplied engine management. Not sure if they do the same for the smaller versions or not though.
rslifkin wrote: Things may have changed on the control side in the last couple years since that thread was written. IIRC, Ford offers the 3.5 EB as a crate motor with supplied engine management. Not sure if they do the same for the smaller versions or not though.
There is a 2.0l crate motor. But like the 3.5, the whole package is over $10k. Ouch.
In reply to alfadriver:
I agree, but can't you get an equivalent junk yard ecoboost and just run their management?
In reply to singleslammer:
The equivalent motor is out of a Focus St. Not all that common. And the controller is still close to $2k.
Theoretically, I think you can.
All the rest of the 2.0l GTDI's are autos- Fusion, Edge, Explorer, Escape... So there would have to be some work to convert it. And I'm not sure which ones of those are actually the same engine as the ST (there are many changes that happened quite quickly)
i think its the engine management that kills a lot of ecoboost swaps. A buddy of mine bought a totaled 2016 mustang and is putting the 2.3 ecoboost and trans into a 280z. He has been working with tuners about trying to tune the stock ecm and its not looking like a possibility to get everything to work they way he is wanting without putting the engine in limp mode. They did tell him that ford will be putting out there engine management system for swaps soon, but its gonna be pricey.
alfadriver wrote:rslifkin wrote: Things may have changed on the control side in the last couple years since that thread was written. IIRC, Ford offers the 3.5 EB as a crate motor with supplied engine management. Not sure if they do the same for the smaller versions or not though.There is a 2.0l crate motor. But like the 3.5, the whole package is over $10k. Ouch.
I don't see why that's ouch. That's a brand new motor and dedicated wiring harness/controller. That's the same price range as the LS3 crates, and the ecoboost is a more complex engine. It's a pretty good deal as long as you're not comparing it to junkyard stuff or figuring your time is free.
That 2.0 should bolt up to an NC Miata trans. There's your RWD.
In reply to Keith Tanner:
For most people, $10k is a lot of money.
If it wasn't, then someone would have gotten my $20k Alfa a long time ago.
edizzle89 wrote: i think its the engine management that kills a lot of DI swaps.
FYP. It's a huge complexity issue that can't be fixed terribly easily.
Most other technologies have ways to work around them. Direct injection does not.
I was meaning the F150 3.5L.
This guy makes a wiring harness for that engine to use with the 6r80. His website sucks but I ran across it from a builder in Nevada that was recommending his services. $1100 for a harness that should fix a lot of the control issues with the stock ECM, assuming that you have the appropriate modules from the donor truck.
In reply to singleslammer:
Considering the time to do a proper module swap, plus the complexity putting all of those parts in your project and not get them to throw codes- $2000 for a controller seems to be a good deal, then.
The only problem with the 10k for the engine and controller is that this is a Grassroots forum that thinks in Grassroots budget terms.
Can the Ford standalone ECM not be bought and used with a recycled engine? That should cut the cost in about half. Not Grassroots enough yet?
In reply to NOHOME:
Looks like one might be able to- but it's not a simple swap- as the controller seems to change from a MAP based strategy (that was used for production) to a MAF based one, as well as the fuel system change. Not sure why.
But I'm sure those parts are available, too.
The module cost is $2300 for the V6, $1900 for the I4. At least one can get a running engine that way.
I originally posted my question because I found an EcoBoost engine on Craigslist for and I'm in need of a solution for my Challenge car, so Grassroots solutions are a necessity.The electronic complexity kills that idea, both from a price issue and my limited electronic engine controls experience.
Ah, not the old "if it costs more than I want to spend, it's not Grassroots" thing.
I maintain that $10k is a pretty good deal given what you get. It's just that some people aren't willing to pay for that, so they have to downgrade what they get. As for the Alfa, well, eventually it'll do an aircooled 911 and people won't be able to believe you sold it so cheap...
DeadSkunk: Well if the Ecoboost is a bust, I have a Zetec and rwd 4 speed that'll bolt up to it. I'm willing to deal and am not far from Road America...
I would love to have the increased power and cleaner emissions that people like Alfadriver work so hard to create older cars like my '91 Miata.
For a couple of years now I have been wondering what the market would be for a box that effectively spoofs all the other modules that a Ford (or other OEM) ECM needs to see in order function. I certainly can find people capable of building and programing this here in Silicon Valley. I am just not there many buyers for it at this point.
The ND Miata is such a step change from the previous one, I'm really digging these modern engines. But boy, they don't leave much on the table.
RossD wrote: DeadSkunk: Well if the Ecoboost is a bust, I have a Zetec and rwd 4 speed that'll bolt up to it. I'm willing to deal and am not far from Road America...
PM me the details, please.
Keith Tanner wrote: Ah, not the old "if it costs more than I want to spend, it's not Grassroots" thing. I maintain that $10k is a pretty good deal given what you get. It's just that some people aren't willing to pay for that, so they have to downgrade what they get. As for the Alfa, well, eventually it'll do an aircooled 911 and people won't be able to believe you sold it so cheap...
It's not so much the absolute cost, but a "what am I getting, and what is it's overall potential" for that money is where I question it.
Say, the 2.0 GTDI package- that $9900, and for that you get 250hp/270lb-ft and perhaps up 90lb-ft more at peak tq. So maybe 320hp. But no more than that.
A really good alternative to me would be the 2.2l F22C1- which also starts at 240/240. And being what it is, it does not require that I HAVE to have the OEM module. And I'd bet one can find one of those for a reasonable cost.
Or perhaps a good V6- even the 3.5l or the 3.7l Mustang engine is doable.
Basically, in the context of what you are getting, is $9900 a good price for that? I personally don't think so.
For the V6, the potential is even more restricted- it is quite tough got get north of 400hp with that engine- it just does not have the pump. Although, with a lot of work, it is capable to 700hp, and will be very at home at LeMans. (Yes, the GT's racing motor is very close to this one- except all the expensive stuff).
Either way, it really depends on what you are doing. Somethings it's the absolute right way to go, others- there are better options for the money.
After being a cheap ass for most of my life, I can finally see in my future the ability to buy a crate engine and controls package for project car, and the current price tag for the 2.0 Ecoboost packaged deal of $5500 before shipping and tax is looking mighty fine.
alfadriver wrote: In reply to singleslammer: The equivalent motor is out of a Focus St. Not all that common. And the controller is still close to $2k. Theoretically, I think you can. All the rest of the 2.0l GTDI's are autos- Fusion, Edge, Explorer, Escape... So there would have to be some work to convert it. And I'm not sure which ones of those are actually the same engine as the ST (there are many changes that happened quite quickly)
People are running the controller on the mini-ute 2.0s without drama. They don't break so they can be had in junkyards for $300-500 complete.
Keith Tanner wrote: That 2.0 should bolt up to an NC Miata trans. There's your RWD.
Scuttlebutt is that it is a grenade with the Ecoboost's midrange torque. 350 ft-lb at peak!
Knurled wrote:alfadriver wrote: In reply to singleslammer: The equivalent motor is out of a Focus St. Not all that common. And the controller is still close to $2k. Theoretically, I think you can. All the rest of the 2.0l GTDI's are autos- Fusion, Edge, Explorer, Escape... So there would have to be some work to convert it. And I'm not sure which ones of those are actually the same engine as the ST (there are many changes that happened quite quickly)People are running the controller on the mini-ute 2.0s without drama. They don't break so they can be had in junkyards for $300-500 complete.
Where? And who? My googlefu does not come up with these projects.
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