Fast street cars

Then check out some of the other classes at the same event.

http://www.streetcarsupernationals.com/sccontend.html

Weedburner wrote: Check out some of these cartoons competing at this weekend's "Street Car Supernationals" in 'Vegas... http://www.streetcarsupernationals.com/pscontend.html

So, ummmm, your point?

Ranger50 wrote: And to correct the OP, he did break a pair of rockers or lifters on the cruise. Wired them up off the cam and continued on to the next strip and made permanent repairs.

I just read the article again - are you sure you didn't mix that up with another guy? It's not in there for that car at all.

In reply to tuna55:

It may have been the year previous. I normally keep up on DragWeek, but I don't have hard copies, only what is covered typically on YellowBullet. Got sick of always paying $5+ for mostly BS advertisements or getting issues AFTER they are on the newsstand.

Brian

That's a pretty cool site. I dig the turbo Sunbeam.

Ranger50 wrote: In reply to tuna55: It may have been the year previous. I normally keep up on DragWeek, but I don't have hard copies, only what is covered typically on YellowBullet. Got sick of always paying $5+ for mostly BS advertisements or getting issues AFTER they are on the newsstand. Brian

Subsciption is less than 10 bucks a year right? Seems like that's what I paid last time around.

In reply to Cotton:

Just isn't worth the paper it is printed on, even if it was FREE. JMO. The whole Primedia juggernaut just rubbed me the wrong way when I bitched about getting it late and they told me tough E36 M3, "If it is late, blame your post office." One reason to like GRM is that I get at least a week before I see it on the newsstand. I just thought that a subscription gave you a perk of getting it earlier then the rest, but I guess not anymore. About the only rag I get with semi-regularity off the newsstand is 5.0 Mustang, but that is only typically after I have read it waiting on the wife to finish shopping.

Brian

It was in Hot Rod, not Drag Week - and I am pretty sure that that car survived who knows how many dragstrip launches, 1000 miles while in the race plus the drive there and back home to wherever with no breakage whatsoever. Amazing. I still don't own a car that can do that.

It was in Hot Rod, not Drag Week - and I am pretty sure that that car survived who knows how many dragstrip launches, 1000 miles while in the race plus the drive there and back home to wherever with no breakage whatsoever. Amazing. I still don't own a car that can do that.

tuna55 wrote: It was in Hot Rod, not Drag Week - and I am pretty sure that that car survived who knows how many dragstrip launches, 1000 miles while in the race plus the drive there and back home to wherever with no breakage whatsoever. Amazing. I still don't own a car that can do that.

DragWeek is the name of the event. The car with the wiped out lifter was the Two Lane Blacktop 55 Chevy.

I scanned down thru the "Street" supercar contenders: remarkable how many headlight decals I saw on supposedly 'street-legal' cars. There's only a couple that really caught my eye. The twin turbo 4.6 Mod-motor Mustang, and the turbo Sunbeam. Those would be interesting.

In reply to 16vCorey:

+1

On a lighter (joking) note, i've just had a brainwave (i know it's rare, but I did have coffee today). What if we did this same kind of challange (drive cross country and race the same car) but it has to be a conversion van and you have to sleep in it (no hotel), carry all of your equipment inside (or a trailer behind) but when you drag race it, you must carry all of your equipment, sleeping stuff, and trailer (if applicable) along for the ride. "street" legality will be measured by what you can get away with. also, one of the races must be in a field, one on a frozen lake, one on a standard track, one stop off at the salt flats, and why not a tractor pull for good measure? Additionaly points will be added for creative interior design, to be judged by a pannel including martha stuart and snoop dog. The winner gets what remaining space is left inside their van full of beef jerky. Who's in?

Rufledt wrote: In reply to 16vCorey: +1 On a lighter (joking) note, i've just had a brainwave (i know it's rare, but I did have coffee today). What if we did this same kind of challange (drive cross country and race the same car) but it has to be a conversion van and you have to sleep in it (no hotel), carry all of your equipment inside (or a trailer behind) but when you drag race it, you must carry all of your equipment, sleeping stuff, and trailer (if applicable) along for the ride. "street" legality will be measured by what you can get away with. also, one of the races must be in a field, one on a frozen lake, one on a standard track, one stop off at the salt flats, and why not a tractor pull for good measure? Additionaly points will be added for creative interior design, to be judged by a pannel including martha stuart and snoop dog. The winner gets what remaining space is left inside their van full of beef jerky. Who's in?

Now you're just being silly...

In reply to Mikey52_1:

You're absolutely right. What was I thinking not adding a rally cross?

http://www.streetcarsupernationals.com/wscontend.html

These cars are pretty cool, look like street cars to me and run 7 sec 1/4 mile.

Rufledt wrote: In reply to Mikey52_1: You're absolutely right. What was I thinking not adding a rally cross?

There ya go! Get all the wanna-be's strained out...

Tom Heath wrote: Then check out some of the other classes at the same event. http://www.streetcarsupernationals.com/sccontend.html

Many of those could be actual street cars, but all are relying on that sticky track for their performance. Take away the track prep, and I predict that the quick cars would suddenly be deemed nose heavy and traction limited, and would quickly evolve to a completely different animal.

Imagine how different autocross or road racing would be if they if they also got all that sticky track prep. The ability of getting 1000hp to the ground would likely lead to a drastic escalation of costs, and probably all but ruin those sports for the independant guy.

I believe a "street car" should be measured under more street like conditions. I am also in favor of a more strict definition. Does it have to lose it's meaning in a similar way like "Pro Stock" and "Stock Car" have? I'm not ready to build a JATO assisted hovercraft with blinkers and a horn just yet

I believe a "street car" should be measured under more street like conditions

'more street like conditions' is so subjective as to mean practically nothing. even drag stips vary a lot but at least provide some consistency with their prep.

but how different is building a car that's obviously designed to be mostly useful on a dragstrip any different than building a street legal autocross car that's most happy on a cone laden piece of tarmac somewhere? both cars suck on the street compared to their factory counterpart, but both can be driven on the street to get to their respective event where they shine.

Weedburner wrote: I believe a "street car" should be measured under more street like conditions. I am also in favor of a more strict definition. Does it have to lose it's meaning in a similar way like "Pro Stock" and "Stock Car" have? I'm not ready to build a JATO assisted hovercraft with blinkers and a horn just yet

This is true, because blinkers won't work on a hovercraft. The dang things are impossible to steer anyway, so blinkers would just worsen the confusion of onlookers.

WilberM3 wrote:

I believe a "street car" should be measured under more street like conditions

'more street like conditions' is so subjective as to mean practically nothing. even drag stips vary a lot but at least provide some consistency with their prep. but how different is building a car that's obviously designed to be mostly useful on a dragstrip any different than building a street legal autocross car that's most happy on a cone laden piece of tarmac somewhere? both cars suck on the street compared to their factory counterpart, but both can be driven on the street to get to their respective event where they shine.

Exactly. Why is it so hard for some to understand that they are taking street legal cars to the race track to see what they can do. Racing a street car or race car on the street is stupid and illegal. Sure you can find some deserted piece of road in the middle of Montana that can handle these cars with some level of safety, but who wants to go there? And who cares anyway?

And if a lightly disguised drag car can be made to meet all the laws that govern a street car that is more a legislative problem, if you even consider it a problem at all.

Rusnak_322 wrote:

WilberM3 wrote:

I believe a "street car" should be measured under more street like conditions

'more street like conditions' is so subjective as to mean practically nothing. even drag stips vary a lot but at least provide some consistency with their prep. but how different is building a car that's obviously designed to be mostly useful on a dragstrip any different than building a street legal autocross car that's most happy on a cone laden piece of tarmac somewhere? both cars suck on the street compared to their factory counterpart, but both can be driven on the street to get to their respective event where they shine.

Exactly. Why is it so hard for some to understand that they are taking street legal cars to the race track to see what they can do. Racing a street car or race car on the street is stupid and illegal. Sure you can find some deserted piece of road in the middle of Montana that can handle these cars with some level of safety, but who wants to go there? And who cares anyway? And if a lightly disguised drag car can be made to meet all the laws that govern a street car that is more a legislative problem, if you even consider it a problem at all.

I dunno...as a citizen of the fine state of confusion known as Montana, I don't believe the roads I'm familiar with, would be useful for safe testing. The deserted areas frequently have ruts and frost heaves. There ARE a few areas where the roads are brand new, and in less densely populated areas (Ekalaka comes to mind), but if a group showed up to 'test' cars on the brand spankin' new road to Alzada, I'm almost certain the Sheriff would call a halt. It took them forty years to get the whole stretch paved, and it just in the last couple months was completed. It would be dimly viewed, I'm sure.

Since my actual issue of Hot Rod came in yesterday, I just want to point out that the 6-berkleying-second car did the entire 1200 miles and every drag strip pass on the same pair of Mickey Thompson ET STREET tires. As in 100% DOT legal in every State of the Union. These aren't drag slicks anymore than A6's are.

Also, there were FOUR cars to average in the 7's for all 5 days. They all also ran on E85 which is more common in the Midwest than 92 Premium.

Of course if you say that any tube-chassis car can't be a street car (which is a pile, hello Cobra kit market), there were a half-dozen stock chassis cars in the 8's and more in the 9's than they could count. Some with A/C, which you know like 90% of our Miata's don't have. One turbo'd C3 Corvette went mid-10's on 235 BFG's. Not drag radials, not autocross tires, not even summer performance tires, plain-jane BF Goodrich Radial T/A's! At a 135 MPH!!! Which is you know, more than they are speed-rated for.

And talk about track prep BS all you want, besides the fact that no municipality or lawyer in the country would let you get away with it, a 6-second car can idle off of the line and slowly feed in power and still go in the mid-8's, so your "real street car" would still get it's trunklid handed to it.

These cars are more street car than 99% of the stuff out there, autocross Nationals cars, Stock-class road racing, and drag cars included. They drove 1200 miles through 4 states and 5 dragstrips in 5 days running numbers that a Challenge car couldn't do with a JATO-rocket strapped to it's butt, all while enduring rain storms, crappy roads, and unfriendly police inspections.

In reply to Javelin:

You sir, get it.

Testify brotha! Testify!!!

Mikey52_1 wrote: mind), but if a group showed up to 'test' cars on the brand spankin' new road to Alzada, I'm almost certain the Sheriff would call a halt. It took them forty years to get the whole stretch paved, and it just in the last couple months was completed.

212? That construction SUCKED!

Appleseed wrote:

Mikey52_1 wrote: mind), but if a group showed up to 'test' cars on the brand spankin' new road to Alzada, I'm almost certain the Sheriff would call a halt. It took them forty years to get the whole stretch paved, and it just in the last couple months was completed.

212? That construction SUCKED!

Naw, this of which I write, is the connecting road south from Ekalaka, to 212. E-city was the only county seat in 48 contiguous states that did not have all-weather roads both in and out; the road south was at one time 60 miles of gravel that began right at the Ekalaka city limits, and turned back to asphalt at the 212 end. The final 30 or so miles of gravel was finally paved this summer.