In reply to BoulderG :
You're right, it is $7500 federal. I crossed my wires. And the $7500 CO credit does apply to EVs with an MSRP of under $35k, so that brings the theoretical Bolt down to $11,500. Which is ridiculous.
I remember similar deals on the previous gen Leaf as they were closing out, something like $9k with all the rebates and credits.
The0retical said:I said it before but if Karma fails it'll be in spite of Magna Steyr, not because of it. That appears to be the case here with both the software and Fisker sinking money into things that simply don't matter in an early mass market car. Also vaporware. Everyone hates vaporware.
A comment which may not be obvious to everyone reading - Magna Steyr is/was building the Fiskers. I don't know how much they contributed to the engineering. It may have an upside, as far as owning an orphan car goes, since Magna Stery is not going away. When the dust settles, there will be at least 10,000 Oceans out there. That's enough for a community to develop for support.
I found a Fisker forum: https://fiskerati.com/. They are not a very happy bunch.
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In reply to Keith Tanner :
So, $14K for something that cannot be had for 14K.
Knew there had to be a catch. But that's typical of SO much information these days.
Sadly, I got my hopes up.
Sigh.
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Keith Tanner said:In reply to BoulderG :
You're right, it is $7500 federal. I crossed my wires. And the $7500 CO credit does apply to EVs with an MSRP of under $35k, so that brings the theoretical Bolt down to $11,500. Which is ridiculous.
I remember similar deals on the previous gen Leaf as they were closing out, something like $9k with all the rebates and credits.
Don't want to flounder a thread, but I'll leave with this:
I've never known anyone that drove a theoretical car. And without talking to someone that actually bought a brand new $9000 Leaf, I imagine that also theoretical.
Last brand new car I personally ever bought, under 9K, was in 1986.
03Panther said:In reply to Keith Tanner :
So, $14K for something that cannot be had for 14K.
Knew there had to be a catch. But that's typical of SO much information these days.
Sadly, I got my hopes up.
Sigh.
Mass doesn't have the $5k, only $3500, but there are several Bolt EV with 1LT trim and a $26595 sticker showing in inventory on Long Island, NY.
$26595-7500-3500 = $15,595
The trick would be to get a local dealer to have one transferred, to be able to apply the Mass credit.
There is also an additional $1000 credit if you trade in a qualifying vehicle, so something like my jeep (gas engine, 12yo or older).
That could get you to $14595 before taxes, if the dealer would work with you.
edit: I just read on the mass site that the $3500 is available on vehicles purchased outside Mass, but the trade in credit isn't.
03Panther said:I've never known anyone that drove a theoretical car. And without talking to someone that actually bought a brand new $9000 Leaf, I imagine that also theoretical.
I bought 4 as company cars for $9200 each so know you know someone :)
In reply to Steve_Jones :
Just as a curiosity, was that available to the gen pop, or just fleet?
In reply to No Time :
Haven't bought a car, new or used, from any dealer in 20 years, but I'd be surprised if an AL credit union, a NY dealer and MA can work all that out before April 1st.
Thanks for the thought, though.
In reply to 03Panther :
I agree, coordinating all that would be a tough task. As a Mass resident I could probably make it happen, but it would mean driving to NY.
03Panther said:Keith Tanner said:In reply to BoulderG :
You're right, it is $7500 federal. I crossed my wires. And the $7500 CO credit does apply to EVs with an MSRP of under $35k, so that brings the theoretical Bolt down to $11,500. Which is ridiculous.
I remember similar deals on the previous gen Leaf as they were closing out, something like $9k with all the rebates and credits.
Don't want to flounder a thread, but I'll leave with this:
I've never known anyone that drove a theoretical car. And without talking to someone that actually bought a brand new $9000 Leaf, I imagine that also theoretical.
Last brand new car I personally ever bought, under 9K, was in 1986.
Well, I did a quick look at the Chevy inventory tool. Set my radius to 500 miles and sorted by price. Found a Bolt in stock with an MSRP of $29,875.00, including the optional all-weather floor mats.
If I bought that car for MSRP (not taking advantage of any of the GM discounts like first responder or educator or whatever) and registered it in CO, that would cost me $14,875 plus taxes etc.
Increased my search area a little and found a 1LT in Washington with an MSRP of $28,580.00 - it's the $26,500 car with wheels and a comfort package. That one would be $14,080 in CO.
We bought our EV in Utah and registered it in CO. The CO tax credits applied because it's the registration that matters. No need to get a dealer to transfer a car from what I can tell.
As for the $9k Leafs, those were advertised by a dealer in Durango. Colorado law is quite clear on dealers advertising vehicles, there has to be an actual VIN attached to it. FM used to be a CO dealer, so this is based on experience.
03Panther said:In reply to Steve_Jones :
Just as a curiosity, was that available to the gen pop, or just fleet?
General population, I heard about them, figured if they lasted 2 years we were ahead of the game, called a local Nissan dealer, asked if they had 4. They had 2, and a sister store had 3, so I said pick 4 and I'm in. On the way to grab them someone asked what color they were and I said "no clue" lol
Keith Tanner said:03Panther said:Keith Tanner said:In reply to BoulderG :
You're right, it is $7500 federal. I crossed my wires. And the $7500 CO credit does apply to EVs with an MSRP of under $35k, so that brings the theoretical Bolt down to $11,500. Which is ridiculous.
I remember similar deals on the previous gen Leaf as they were closing out, something like $9k with all the rebates and credits.
Don't want to flounder a thread, but I'll leave with this:
I've never known anyone that drove a theoretical car. And without talking to someone that actually bought a brand new $9000 Leaf, I imagine that also theoretical.
Last brand new car I personally ever bought, under 9K, was in 1986.Well, I did a quick look at the Chevy inventory tool. Set my radius to 500 miles and sorted by price. Found a Bolt in stock with an MSRP of $29,875.00, including the optional all-weather floor mats.
If I bought that car for MSRP (not taking advantage of any of the GM discounts like first responder or educator or whatever) and registered it in CO, that would cost me $14,875 plus taxes etc.
Increased my search area a little and found a 1LT in Washington with an MSRP of $28,580.00 - it's the $26,500 car with wheels and a comfort package. That one would be $14,080 in CO.
We bought our EV in Utah and registered it in CO. The CO tax credits applied because it's the registration that matters. No need to get a dealer to transfer a car from what I can tell.
As for the $9k Leafs, those were advertised by a dealer in Durango. Colorado law is quite clear on dealers advertising vehicles, there has to be an actual VIN attached to it. FM used to be a CO dealer, so this is based on experience.
In theory, could someone who lives in CO buy such a Bolt and then sell it very, very lightly used to a friend in another state?
Steve_Jones said:03Panther said:In reply to Steve_Jones :
Just as a curiosity, was that available to the gen pop, or just fleet?
General population, I heard about them, figured if they lasted 2 years we were ahead of the game, called a local Nissan dealer, asked if they had 4. They had 2, and a sister store had 3, so I said pick 4 and I'm in. On the way to grab them someone asked what color they were and I said "no clue" lol
How long ago was that? If they're still doing that, I might look into it.
In reply to dyintorace :
You know, I don't see anything that says no. And you can actually have the credit assigned to the dealer for an immediate credit, although that might be more difficult for a vehicle sourced out of state.
https://tax.colorado.gov/sites/tax/files/documents/ITT_Innovative_Motor_Vehicle_Credit_Feb_2024.pdf
Fueled by Caffeine said:JG Pasterjak said:I saw one of these on the road Saturday, which is the only one I've ever seen IRL. It was actually quite handsome.
But, yeah, you're basically buying a plate of nachos from a food truck that's already gotten notice from the health department they have to close down. Maybe they're delicious, but when the explosive diarrhea hits a couple days later and you go back to complain and the truck has long vanished, how satisfying will those nachos be then?
Explosive diarrhea rarely hits days later. You'll know pretty quickly just how bad of an idea this was.
Nah, I've personally seen at least two take 9+ months!
SKJSS (formerly Klayfish) said:Steve_Jones said:03Panther said:In reply to Steve_Jones :
Just as a curiosity, was that available to the gen pop, or just fleet?
General population, I heard about them, figured if they lasted 2 years we were ahead of the game, called a local Nissan dealer, asked if they had 4. They had 2, and a sister store had 3, so I said pick 4 and I'm in. On the way to grab them someone asked what color they were and I said "no clue" lol
How long ago was that? If they're still doing that, I might look into it.
Going from memory, early 2017. There was a redesign, these were old design and Nissan put dealer money on them to move them.
In reply to Keith Tanner :
Can you tell me what CO is and how it works to get a 14k Bolt?
In reply to Blunder :
It's the State he lives in. Colorado.
Steve_Jones said:In reply to Blunder :
It's the State he lives in. Colorado.
Huh, learn something new every day. All this time I thought CO was carbon monoxide 
Back in 2012 I leased a Leaf. Between federal and state credits, I paid something ridiculously cheap per month. Does that still apply today? I heard Audi is struggling to move the eTron
Worth noting that according to one journalist's research, those $25k Fiskers don't actually exist.
The only success we had in getting information came from speaking to a specialist at Classic Fisker. He didn't mince words about the $25,000 Ocean Sport.
"I would caution you and other customers—Sports don’t exist right now," he said. "The $25,000 Sports, they’re not even here in the US right now. The Ultras at $35,000, they don’t exist in the US right now."
There is a caveat to the Ocean Ultra. The specialist did say Fisker had Ultras in the national inventory, but they all had some level of options that raised the price considerably. And if 2023 Sports do end up arriving in the US now, in 2024, they'd likely be through the Port of Baltimore, which is currently impacted by the collapse of the Key Bridge.
Saw this on my ride home today:
In reply to JG Pasterjak :
Yet now I want nachos.
In reply to Keith Tanner :
For the Federal credit I'm pretty sure I signed a disclosure that said I wasn't reselling and planned to own it for at least a year, but I could be misremembering.
Keith Tanner said:In reply to dyintorace :
You know, I don't see anything that says no. And you can actually have the credit assigned to the dealer for an immediate credit, although that might be more difficult for a vehicle sourced out of state.
https://tax.colorado.gov/sites/tax/files/documents/ITT_Innovative_Motor_Vehicle_Credit_Feb_2024.pdf
My Bolt just crossed over 100K. I rented a 2023 Bolt in Wisconsin during a snowstorm, and it was so nice! I could sell mine for $13K and buy one with the Keith discount for 14K?
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