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Tom_Spangler
Tom_Spangler GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
11/15/19 12:10 p.m.
Keith Tanner said:

Can you be a little more explicit for those of us who don't recognize the screenshot?

Or are you saying that a realistic car guy movie would be a bunch of guys hanging out in a parking lot talking about cars while the only girl is bored out of her mind?

It's Two Lane Blacktop. I don't know how well it did at the box office in 1971, but I do know it's a weird stream-of-conciousness movie by today's standards, and that the two leads are/were much better musicians than actors....

Suprf1y
Suprf1y UltimaDork
11/15/19 12:46 p.m.
Tom_Spangler said:

, and that the two leads are/were much better musicians than actors....

People keep saying that and I completely disagree. The acting in the movie is spot on and more realistic and anything I've seen from Hollywood

aircooled
aircooled MegaDork
11/15/19 12:57 p.m.
Pete Gossett said:

In reply to jfryjfry :

Did you get time behind the wheel of the GT40s? I presume they were reproductions?

A guy that comes to my local Cars and Coffee supplied a lot of the cars. He has brought one of the GT40's a few times (replica).  It's a Gulf livery one (I suspect used later in the movie) with an FI engine.  Apparently raced in Canada.

Another guy has some of the other cars in the movie.  Not sure which ones (haven't seen the movie yet and didn't ask him), but he appears to have at least one replica Porsche 356 / speedster (I assume it has a role in the movie?)

I will post some pics of the GT when I get home.  It's a nice looking car and street legal.  Right had drive with right hand shifter.

L5wolvesf
L5wolvesf New Reader
11/15/19 1:16 p.m.
A 401 CJ said:

Occasionally Hollywood makes a truly realistic car-guy movie.  They always flop in the box office.

 

Exhibit A:

But, The Library of Congress selected the film for preservation in the United States National Film Registry in 2012 as being "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant."

A 401 CJ
A 401 CJ GRM+ Memberand Dork
11/15/19 1:35 p.m.
Keith Tanner said:
A 401 CJ said:

Occasionally Hollywood makes a truly realistic car-guy movie.  They always flop in the box office.

 

Exhibit A:

Can you be a little more explicit for those of us who don't recognize the screenshot?

Or are you saying that a realistic car guy movie would be a bunch of guys hanging out in a parking lot talking about cars while the only girl is bored out of her mind?

If you were anybody else I’d demand you hand over your car-guy card.

A 401 CJ
A 401 CJ GRM+ Memberand Dork
11/15/19 1:41 p.m.

It’s a cult film.  Warren Oates, Beach Boys drummer Dennis Wilson, and James Taylor.  

My wife is a huge James Taylor fan.  So I thought I’d show her this film on our first date since she was unaware he was ever in a film.  Should have known better.  First date was almost the last as she thought both it and by association yours truly a bit weird.

Mustang50
Mustang50 New Reader
11/15/19 1:57 p.m.

How about "Vanishing Point" a 1971 movie with Barry Neumann?   It featured a white Challenger racing cross country for no apparent reason.

Pete Gossett
Pete Gossett GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
11/15/19 2:48 p.m.

The only thing I remember about Two Lane Blacktop is the ending. Granted, it was probably over 30-years ago when I last saw it, but I don’t remember a single thing else about the movie. 

jfryjfry
jfryjfry Dork
11/15/19 2:56 p.m.

I drove nearly all of the cars - or i likely did drive all of them - including the gt40's. They were indeed kit cars, mostly from RCR (Race Car Replicas).   I had some involvement in the testing of the cars for the film, although most of the input was sought from the professional (ex)racers who were involved.   

They were apparently a nightmare at first, before I came on board. Some major attention was given to suspension geometry and a lot of work went into re-designing some control arms and alignments. It netted  cars that worked adequately.

I understand that the chassis was the same for the ferrari and the gt40 but just elongated a little for the italian cars. for whatever reason, the ferrari cars drove better. Maybe the prancing horse emblem does more for a car than just look good.

The little bubble porsches (forgive me, I cannot recall the designation) were amazingly incredibly tiny and tight.  knees-up-against-the-dashboard tiny.  All custom-made chassis and bodies.   In fact, they scanned toy cars of the Porsches and built the bodies off of that.

We did get to drive a bevvy of cool cars, for sure. The Willow Springs race was fun, with the cobras and corvettes making up most of the field.  

As far as what I drove and got to do, we rotated into whatever car we were needed in at the time.  I did have some specific cars to drive, and did most of the crashes and spinouts you see. That's the easiest way to point out the cars I was driving.  I don't want to spoil anything for anyone, but I will say that I am very proud of the ferrari crash as i couldn't rehearse it in situ and hit exactly my mark after "losing it" and cracking the whip avoiding a crashed and burning car.

Funny note: the driver standing on the side waving his hands as I went around the burned out car is Derek Hill, son of Phil Hill and who has become a good friend of mine.  He is a wonderful guy and I could (and did!) listen to his stories for hours.

A lot of when we shot was blazing hot in the socal desert and we were provided with Cool Suits and there were two guys whose job it was to wheel a cart around with fresh ice boxes and swap out our warm, used ones. 

anyway, I could go on, but i'll summarize by saying it was a fun and difficult job that I am very glad to have been part of.

Tom_Spangler
Tom_Spangler GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
11/15/19 3:12 p.m.

Regardless of any other niggling issues I may have with the film, the stunt driving and racing sequences were absolutely top-notch, so kudos!

kazoospec
kazoospec UltraDork
11/15/19 3:20 p.m.
jfryjfry said: i'll summarize

No, that's OK, give us the "long version".  wink

EDIT: I smell "Feature Article" and/or Podcast!

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
11/15/19 3:23 p.m.

I'm glad to hear that your Ferrari crash turned out better than the one in Le Mans.

bobzilla
bobzilla MegaDork
11/15/19 3:40 p.m.

IRT 2 lane blacktop/vanishing point/weird 70's flicks: I have never watched TLB, no real desire. I've seen VP and still wonder why I sat through it. I guess you had to be there and be high. 

This looks awesome and I can't wait to watch it tomorrow. 

RevRico
RevRico GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
11/15/19 3:41 p.m.
kazoospec said:
jfryjfry said: i'll summarize

No, that's OK, give us the "long version".  wink

EDIT: I smell "Feature Article" and/or Podcast!

I'm with you. Since his last GRM YouTube appearance, I've thought of a thousand questions, at the same time I'm always up for a fun story. 

NOHOME
NOHOME MegaDork
11/15/19 3:52 p.m.

Off to see this in two hours. I have "The Cobra Ferrari Wars" book on the shelf as  background info.

 

Pete

rustybugkiller
rustybugkiller HalfDork
11/15/19 3:58 p.m.

This is the first movie I've seen at a theater in 15 years. I couldn't wait to see it. I was not disappointed. Yes, there are scenes that were " hollywooded " but I expected some of that. Honestly, the most disappointing was the Ken Miles incident in the end that felt like an afterthought.

jfryjfry: I want your life!!

Don49
Don49 Dork
11/15/19 5:08 p.m.

I saw it this afternoon and thought it was great. Well acted and the racing scenes were very good.

Datsun310Guy
Datsun310Guy UltimaDork
11/15/19 5:44 p.m.
Mustang50 said:

How about "Vanishing Point" a 1971 movie with Barry Neumann?   It featured a white Challenger racing cross country for no apparent reason.

There WAS a plot. He had to deliver the car from Colorado to California in 15 hours.  

JoeyM
JoeyM Mod Squad
11/15/19 5:59 p.m.
Adrian_Thompson said:
Tom_Spangler said:
Datsun310Guy said:

Is it a better movie than Sly driving an Indycar with cowboy boots on thru Chicago doing 195mph?

Pfft. He didn't even pick up any quarters during that scene!

I don't care how goofy it is. I love that movie.

Javelin
Javelin GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
11/15/19 6:06 p.m.

In reply to jfryjfry :

I have to go watch the movie again just to try and spot you in every driving scene now!

JoeyM
JoeyM Mod Squad
11/15/19 6:14 p.m.
A 401 CJ said:

First date was almost the last as she thought both it and by association yours truly a bit weird.

<Red herring>

This reminds me of when my wife and I started dating. The first time she came over to the house, we went for a spin around the block in my Datsun project.  The lower radiator hose was vibrating against the alternator and sprang a leak where it was rubbing.  The car didn't have a windshield yet, and she ended up getting misted with radiator fluid. surprise

</red herring>

Pete Gossett
Pete Gossett GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
11/15/19 6:27 p.m.

In reply to jfryjfry :

Thanks for the write up! Do you ever cross paths with William/Billy Morts? He’s from the same tiny home town as me, but he’s a bit older so I never really knew him. 

secretariata
secretariata GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
11/15/19 7:13 p.m.
L5wolvesf said:

But, The Library of Congress selected the film for preservation in the United States National Film Registry in 2012 as being "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant."

Doesn't that automatically mean it gained critical acclaim, but was a box office flop?  Sorta like winning the Oscar for best cinematography...

b13990
b13990 Reader
11/15/19 7:17 p.m.
Tom_Spangler said: Making Leo Beebe into a cartoonishly petty pencil-pusher in order to create drama that wasn't there.

 

I'm only casually familiar with the story here. I know the size of the Fords' engines but not much more.

And even I know that's ridiculous.

L5wolvesf
L5wolvesf New Reader
11/15/19 7:37 p.m.
secretariata said:
L5wolvesf said:

But, The Library of Congress selected the film for preservation in the United States National Film Registry in 2012 as being "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant."

Doesn't that automatically mean it gained critical acclaim, but was a box office flop?  Sorta like winning the Oscar for best cinematography...

Not necessarily. There are some big name movies on that list. I can't specifically and positively name any off hand but I would imagine Casablanca and Gone with the Wind would be on it. American Graffiti probably is too.

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