Formula 1-2021 Season

Streetwiseguy said:

Ya know... If a guy were a conspiracy theorist, he might watch the McLaren left front tire changers bank account for a significant anonymous deposit.  Has Lando been in front of Lewis post pit stop, I think we'd be cheering Charles glorious win right now.

He was. Hamilton got around him pretty quickly.

Keith Tanner said:

I also hope that Horner doesn't poison the paddock too much (more). He managed to get himself a lot of airtime during and post race to bitch about someone doing to Max what Max has been doing to others for years. Lewis was judged to be at fault and was given a penalty. Accept the steward's decision and move on. Hopefully Max and Lewis can shake hands on it in person.

We may have our answer.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.hamilton-victory-celebrations-were-disrespectful-and-unsportsmanlike-says.5IXMOpPRveLIBAfifsG8NZ.html 

Hamilton gets the penalty, claws back the win and celebrates winning his home grand prix in front of a delirious crowd without knowing that Max had been sent to hospital. This is apparently disrespectful. 

I'm hoping everyone calms down once all the adrenaline stops and we can get on with racing. But the press is going to eat this up, and you don't want to get between Horner and a microphone.

Keith Tanner said:

Streetwiseguy said:

Ya know... If a guy were a conspiracy theorist, he might watch the McLaren left front tire changers bank account for a significant anonymous deposit.  Has Lando been in front of Lewis post pit stop, I think we'd be cheering Charles glorious win right now.

He was. Hamilton got around him pretty quickly.

Yeah, that looked to me like Lando knew he wasn't racing Hamilton and didn't want to lose time in something futile.

I was really impressed with the mclarens and Ferraris.  Charles ran a fantastic race with a wounded car.  Mercedes just had the pace, not sure if the 4-6 seconds he lost due to the mapping issues would have put him in front or not.

I may be the outlier but I think the Verstappen Hamilton was just a racing incident between two drivers pushing for the win.  While I don't want to see accidents I also don't want them afraid to race each other hard.

Ferrari really did well. I don't think the engine problems affected the race at all, Lewis wasn't able to take advantage of them so it just slowed both cars equally. Had Charles gone faster at that point, Lewis likely would have been able to match him because the wake from the Ferrari was limiting his speed.

It was looking like the midfield is taking the fight to the front runners between Perez's difficulty in getting through and both Ferrari and McLaren being extra-pesky.

After the first few corners you knew it was going to end in tears for someone.

I did find it rather rich that Helmut Marko wanted Hamilton to get a one race ban given Max's past transgessions.

I feel for Max but again it was going to end badly for one of them.

I think Damon Hill had a very good summation.

Karun showed the four previous episodes where Max had chopped Lewis and Lewis backed off, including yesterday.  Maybe Lewis is done backing off.

Also, I might have mentioned that Charles in car footage showed some pretty aggressive moves on Max's part.  And that it sure did look like it was going to end in tears.

759NRNG said:

Javelin (Forum Supporter) said:

In reply to 759NRNG :

What you talking bout Willis?

What didn't you understand about my post ????............names not willis looser

Dude chill out (and learn how to spell loser). You made a statement that literally made no sense. Nothing about the sprint format (which was announced months ago and has been covered literally ad nauseam by every racing and F1 site and mag on the planet) involves championship points order. So yeah, I didn't understand your ENTIRE flipping post, and neither did anyone else. Going off the rails on everyone about that is a bit of a red flag on this forum... 

I've watched that incident a dozen times and the whole thing just looks sour. Yes, they were racing, and yes, Max doesn't have the greatest track record, but I think Hamilton deserves some of the trash talk flowing his way right now. He had bus lengths to his right to move over and was the trailing car. It's his job to pass without crashing into the guy IN FRONT of him. Not only did he totally stiff Max (and for the record, I think he probably just meant to nudge him a little and the dumb 13" tire de-beaded) but then he immediately defended himself on the radio knowing how guilty he was and then celebrated like a buffon on the podium. Didn't realize Max was in hospital my butt, the race was red flagged man! You really think he's gonna hit the wall hard enough to require repairs and not be in hospital?!? 

What little respect I did have for Hamilton is gone now (and I'm no Max/RB fan at all). 

In reply to Javelin (Forum Supporter) :

Agree completely. Luckiest guy in formula 1 gets lucky again. Very little damage and penalty with no effect. 

Next time, Max will be a bit more careful.  I think that might have been the point of that entire half lap.

In reply to Javelin (Forum Supporter) :

Hamilton was trying keep Max wide and Max tried to slam the door on Hamilton. Classic case of guys not giving each other enough room.

Emmanuelle Pirro is a no nonsense guy so I respect his judgement on this and I'm good with the penalty.

They were both pushing each other, Max pushed him right up against the wall to sneak his nose up the inside, Lewis pushed back to get a better entry into the corner. The contact happened well before the apex and upset both of their cars at that point so we'll never know if Lewis would have made the actual apex or not (you can see this in the replays, focus on Lewis right after the contact, this is why Charles is able to pass). Is Lewis more to blame in this case? sure and that is why he was given a penalty and 2 points on his license. When Lewis went in there with Charles he definitely kept it more to the inside and Charles would've kept the position had he held on to the rear of the car at the exit.

The race was not red flagged because Max was hurt, they sent out the safety car first and Max was out of the car by that point. I can think of one instance last year where the red flag was thrown and a driver was actually injured and went to hospital (Romain), all the other incidents the drivers were fine and the clean up/track repairs were the reason for the red, just like today.

Lewis asked about Max during that safety car lap too and was told he was out of the car but shaken, do you really think his engineer is going to give him updates throughout the race? "Oh Lewis, just thought you should know that Max has been taken to the hospital for precautionary measures. Anyways, keep pushing at 100% or we won't catch Charles before the end." 

I get that Lewis rubs people the wrong way and admittedly Max does the same for me, that's why this season has been so good though. I hope to see more wheel to wheel racing between these too, hopefully there is more respect between them and less cars in the wall. It should be interesting.

759NRNG said:

In reply to Javelin (Forum Supporter) :

So are you the dedicated focal point for all posts related to F1? My apologies for not paying the appropriate recognition  to those that need to be acknowledged under your astute supervision...............that's Mr. Willis BH late

Do you have to work at being this abrasive, or does it come naturally?

Streetwiseguy said:

Next time, Max will be a bit more careful.  I think that might have been the point of that entire half lap.

I see it from a different perspective that causes me to believe Max will be a bit more cavalier with his front wing when him and Lewis find themselves in the opposite places as they were on lap one. 
 

I also find it interesting that people are bringing up the Crashspatten era when Lewis has punted Albon off twice in more recent history. 

In reply to 759NRNG :

Your initial couple of posts weren't very clear and didn't come across well. The info about the format for the weekend was posted on the page before, if you had directly asked about what was going on someone most likely would've responded with an answer. 

Anyone can post in this thread just like any other on the forum, no need for anyone to call anyone names here. We try to keep our insults directed towards Mazepin in this thread, let's keep it that way :) 

AaronT said:

Streetwiseguy said:

Next time, Max will be a bit more careful.  I think that might have been the point of that entire half lap.

I see it from a different perspective that causes me to believe Max will be a bit more cavalier with his front wing when him and Lewis find themselves in the opposite places as they were on lap one. 
 

I also find it interesting that people are bringing up the Crashspatten era when Lewis has punted Albon off twice in more recent history. 

Not the Crashstappen era... the last four races, and the first half of today's lap.

And I'm pretty sure Lewis understands the ramifications.  

I don't hold Lewis blameless, but I understand why he didn't lift. 

"Let them race" means "let them race until my favorite driver pays the price" :)

Max is the one who started pushing others around, and he was given special status to do so by the sport because he was the golden child.  This is simply the result, five years later. 

Ohhh!  Good discussions here!

It's pretty amazing that Lewis recovered from a 10 second penalty to win!

That being said, I thought he was to blame for the incident and the 10 second penalty seemed appropriate based on the previous race where people got 5 second penalties for pushing people entirely off the track.  

Lewis didn't push max off track.  He pushed him wide of the apex.  Max didn't like that and kept the squeeze on (appropriately).  They touched.  Like literally, a touch.  And max went off unfortunately. 

Holy crap I was glad to see him get out of the car!

What a good season of f1!

759NRNG said:

adam525i said:

In reply to 759NRNG :

Your initial couple of posts weren't very clear and didn't come across well. The info about the format for the weekend was posted on the page before, if you had directly asked about what was going on someone most likely would've responded with an answer. 

Anyone can post in this thread just like any other on the forum, no need for anyone to call anyone names here. We try to keep our insults directed towards Mazepin in this thread, let's keep it that way :) 

Xcuse  me Adam525I   hey ya'll check this .....I'll not be up in ya''ll's mess any more cuz apparently I kant express my emotions to the exacting criteria that y'all  so dearly find  crucial to verbally eviscerating those that are truly deserving of said Bslap in y'alls lingo.....late 

What?  

In other news - did anyone else notice that Vettel managed to spin unassisted again? He'd managed to get out of that habit after leaving Ferrari but apparently didn't quit cold turkey. 

In reply to Keith Tanner :

Yeah I found it odd that a multi world champion just looped like that..........it's as if I were driving. LOL

Right now, Red Bull looks even more to be losing the mental game. Very lame of them to get all over Lewis for his post race celebration- he knew max got out of the car, and that's it. To pretend that Lewis has to ask after the race if max was in the hospital is stupid as far as I can tell. 
 

lewis got a penalty, and accepted part of the blame. Deal with it. 

seeing how pushy max was at the beginning of both races, two can be pushy. 
 

edit- I saw pre race how Marko was talking about Hamilton. Just makes these post race comments more lame.