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maschinenbau
maschinenbau GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
3/8/24 3:30 p.m.

I rarely watch qualifying live, but today I had the chance to during my lunch break. Gotta say, that was pretty dang exciting. Way better than just catching the 10 minute highlight reel.

Excited to see how the young rookie Bearman does in that Ferrari. Fun fact: he chose #38 for his car. March 8 (3/8) is the day he woke up and was called upon to drive in place of Carlos. He did FP3 this afternoon and Qualifying late tonight (local time). What a crazy 24 hours it must be for him. 

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
3/8/24 4:49 p.m.

wvumtnbkr
wvumtnbkr GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
3/8/24 8:40 p.m.

# 38 is the number that sabastian vettel and max verstappen used in their 1st f1 experience.

maschinenbau
maschinenbau GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
3/9/24 7:57 a.m.

Also forgot - the young Bearman had just qualified on pole for F2 the day before!

alfadriver
alfadriver MegaDork
3/9/24 12:47 p.m.

With all of the penalties going on, I'm confused why Norris didn't get one for jumping the start- he moved over the starting point pretty clearly.  Seems like allowing the driver to do that gives them some space they should not for lining up differently.

maschinenbau
maschinenbau GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
3/9/24 1:27 p.m.

I hope this race puts all the RIC replacing PER nonsense to rest.

Surprising improvement from Haas. Hulk owes KMag a beer for sure after holding up that train for him! Great teamwork.

alfadriver
alfadriver MegaDork
3/9/24 1:31 p.m.

In reply to maschinenbau :

KMag could do that, as the train behind him all finished in front of him thanks to the 20 seconds of penalties he got.  No point trying to make a meaningless pass on your teammate.

Pretty boring race, again, even with the safety car.  The passes that did happen were pretty expected, and the only real interesting long term battle was Hamilton-Piastri, which was going to end eventually since Hamilton had to pit.

The backfield was close, but trains don't really make things that much better.  

NY Nick
NY Nick GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
3/9/24 1:55 p.m.

Was a bit of a snoozer. Nice to see Lewis put on his big boy pants and go at it hard with Oscar. Props to K Mag, that was solid. I'm a Danny fan but agree, he is done. Yuki should also be done too. Him getting passed twice today from lapses in concentration were meh. I would have Lawson back in there for one of them soon. 
Props to Oliver for running a strong race. Lance should probably think about packing it in. I am sure that is hard to concede for him but he is not going to be an F1 champion, he is holding back his team, he could take the great driving experience he has (which really is decent I am not saying he is terrible) and convert that into team management. 

MiniDave
MiniDave HalfDork
3/9/24 3:06 p.m.

Maybe where Max is concerned, but back in the pack......Wow!

So many close battles, and Bearman holding on to finish 7th was amazeballs!

NY Nick
NY Nick GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
3/9/24 3:12 p.m.

In reply to MiniDave :

Yeah the K Mag deal was interesting and Lewis v Oscar and Bearman but just not a lot of passing, interesting strategy. 

alfadriver
alfadriver MegaDork
3/9/24 3:43 p.m.

In reply to MiniDave :

Given the number of passes, I'm not sure I would say wow.  It was ok. But the DRS trains were not all that interesting.

maschinenbau
maschinenbau GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
3/9/24 4:31 p.m.

Maybe I'm an easily entertained simpleton, but the more I pay attention to the race weekend, the more fun I have watching. There was so much going on with strategy and battles that I never got bored or walked away.

Streetwiseguy
Streetwiseguy MegaDork
3/9/24 4:57 p.m.

I was interested in the outcome of the tire strategy. Could have been real good for Lewis and Lando had another SC come out at the right time.

Just off the top of my head, Lando probably lost a spot and Lewis gained one, based off getting tires when everyone else did.

The McLaren sure didn't have any top speed today.  Set up for a tick more downforce, I guess.

Bearman did a nice job.  His Dad, particularly during quali, looked like he was gonna puke.

loosecannon
loosecannon SuperDork
3/9/24 4:58 p.m.

Inconsistent penalties-another reason they should have the same stewards for every race

maschinenbau
maschinenbau GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
3/9/24 5:05 p.m.

Apparently the Norris jump start didn't get penalized because the FIA transponder onboard didn't detect him leaving his start box. Sure looked like he crossed the box line to me, but obviously he didn't gain anything from the mistake, so I guess that's fair. Similar to giving a place back if you pass off track.

alfadriver
alfadriver MegaDork
3/9/24 5:32 p.m.
maschinenbau said:

Apparently the Norris jump start didn't get penalized because the FIA transponder onboard didn't detect him leaving his start box. Sure looked like he crossed the box line to me, but obviously he didn't gain anything from the mistake, so I guess that's fair. Similar to giving a place back if you pass off track.

Not sure why they used the transponder as the only evidence- if that was OK to do, then all the drivers should put themselves to the most forward part of the box they can fit to, not the line they use.  It was as if Lando was in the wrong box location, and F1 has previously given penalties even if they got a poor start.  I like Lando and all, but F1 is opening up a big can of worms by not giving a penalty for such an obvious move before the start.

RacerBoy75
RacerBoy75 Reader
3/9/24 9:02 p.m.

Decent action, but up front it was another snooze-fest. I'm excited for the first IndyCar race of the season tomorrow, the racing is always excellent in those races (unlike F1).

 

I was reading a column in the NY Times that has a weekly re-cap of excellent writing found in other newspaper columns, and there was this funny tidbit - 

In The Guardian, Marina Hyde observed that Christian Horner, the boss of Formula One’s Red Bull racing team, is enmeshed in a tawdry scandal: “It’s all very Keeping Up With the Carkrashians.”

06HHR (Forum Supporter)
06HHR (Forum Supporter) SuperDork
3/10/24 7:13 p.m.

Mercedes battling a fundamental issue with the W15

Isn't this a version of the same problem they were having with the last car?

loosecannon
loosecannon SuperDork
3/10/24 7:18 p.m.
06HHR (Forum Supporter) said:

Mercedes battling a fundamental issue with the W15

Isn't this a version of the same problem they were having with the last car?

I read this and the first thing I thought was "Lewis made the right decision to leave"

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
3/10/24 7:20 p.m.

In reply to 06HHR (Forum Supporter) :

...its real-world performance is not matching what its data suggests.

Uhoh, more correlation problems. They thought they had that sorted out last year.

Ranger50
Ranger50 MegaDork
3/10/24 8:16 p.m.
06HHR (Forum Supporter) said:

Mercedes battling a fundamental issue with the W15

Isn't this a version of the same problem they were having with the last car?

Uhhhhh ummmm... I don't follow F1 religiously but ain't high speed, mega downforce, and corners their namesake?

wvumtnbkr
wvumtnbkr GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
3/10/24 8:19 p.m.

At the expense of drag.  It's a balance.  Efficiency is important when .5 seconds makes the difference between 1st and 6th. 

 

If there is a lack of correlation, then any changes made are just a guess.

codrus (Forum Supporter)
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3/10/24 10:33 p.m.
alfadriver said:

I like Lando and all, but F1 is opening up a big can of worms by not giving a penalty for such an obvious move before the start.

I think the rules simply require the cars to be stationary in the start box when the lights go out.  Yes, Norris' car moved, but it seems it got it stopped again and hadn't left the box, so it was legal.  This is presumably why the investigation banner was for "out of position at the start", not for "jumped start".

 

alfadriver
alfadriver MegaDork
3/10/24 10:36 p.m.

In reply to codrus (Forum Supporter) :

But that means everyone can move up in the box, as the only "requirement" is to be stopped somewhere in it.  Those lines they stop on are meaningless, apparently.  And now every car should be allowed to line up ahead of those lines, since Lando has shown it as ok.  

I also think he jumped the start- the fact that he stopped is irrelevant- he moved off the line before the lights stopped.

I guess it's a choice, but either way, he was in the wrong.  Otherwise, as I contend, the lines in the box they line up against are irrelevant.

codrus (Forum Supporter)
codrus (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
3/10/24 10:42 p.m.
Streetwiseguy said:

Just off the top of my head, Lando probably lost a spot and Lewis gained one, based off getting tires when everyone else did.

Norris was 6th before the SC, 8th at the finish.  Hamilton was 8th and 9th, so they both lost out.  Russell gained one position as a result, Bearman gained 2.

I was surprised at how not-fast the Mercedes and McLaren both were at the end.  Maybe it's just that they were battling and slowing each other down, but Norris was 6.4 seconds behind Bearman after his stop and 2.3 at the end of the race.  I expected fresh softs vs well-used hards to be worth more than 4 seconds over a 12 lap stint.

 

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