Formula 1 2024 Season

In reply to maschinenbau :

Two days later and I'm still trying to figure that out...

In reply to alfadriver :

Ah, gotcha.

Another reason why open wheels are a bad idea. Not only are they aerodynamic nightmares, they turn a light touch into an instant race-ending crash.

All race cars should look like LMPs.

In reply to Keith Tanner :

For that crash, the outcome would have been the same, just a few feet earlier. They didn't jump when they ran into each other- the different momentum forced the Ferrari across the Red Bull. 

Keith Tanner said:

Another reason why open wheels are a bad idea. Not only are they aerodynamic nightmares, they turn a light touch into an instant race-ending crash.

All race cars should look like LMPs.

No, they shouldn't. 

Whether it's a Bugatti T35 or Lancia D50 or Lotus 49 or more modern cars, there is just something so purposeful looking about open wheel cars....................I don't care if they don't work as well.

On a serious note; covering the wheels doesn't seem to slow down touring car antics.  What we had was two guys not giving each other enough room to race. 

alfadriver said:

In reply to Keith Tanner :

For that crash, the outcome would have been the same, just a few feet earlier. They didn't jump when they ran into each other- the different momentum forced the Ferrari across the Red Bull. 

I dunno, looked to me like the contact was tread to tread from the replays I saw on Sunday. That's always going to be more energetic. At least nobody got launched which was a real possibility.

The only reason to have open wheel cars is a misplaced sense of nostalgia. We've had full body Grand Prix cars in the past, so even the nostalgia is misplaced. The most beautiful historic racing cars in the world have fenders. Every F1 designer would jump at the chance to cover those wheels. These are supposed to be the most advanced race cars in the world, but they cling to an ineffective body style that makes the cars slower and the racing worse and more dangerous.

Keith Tanner said:

Another reason why open wheels are a bad idea. Not only are they aerodynamic nightmares, they turn a light touch into an instant race-ending crash.

All race cars should look like LMPs.

That very fragility means that open wheel cars demand a precision that closed-body cars do not.  It's a different sport, and people who are good at one are not always good at the other.

Why race motorcycles?  The fastest motorcycle racing series in the world (motogp) isn't just slower than F1 -- it's slower than the F2 feeder series.  In fact, in the tracks I can find lap time comparisons for, it's actually slower than Formula 3.

LMP cars are cool, but they aren't the be-all, end-all of racing.

In reply to codrus (Forum Supporter) :

Bringing in moto gp is apples to oranges, might as well ask why mustangs win air races. In order to be the fastest most technological advanced series, open wheels are holding back F1. Also both them and LMP are too damn big, but that's on me.

Keith Tanner said:

The only reason to have open wheel cars is a misplaced sense of nostalgia. 

Nostalgia is never misplaced..................you take that back.

Keith Tanner said:

 

 The most beautiful historic racing cars in the world have fenders. 

Not............

This thing won three of the four F1 races it entered. Look at those curves.

I'm not gonna start posting pictures of gorgeous closed wheel racing cars, but it sure is tempting :)

In reply to Keith Tanner :

If it were tire to tire, one of the two cars would have gone up really fast.  That's the physics you are so concerned about.  So it was either tire to floor, or it was face to face on the tires- and both of those are common in closed wheel racing.

In reply to Keith Tanner :

I like big buts I cannot lie...........that Merecedes is gorgeous.

I am so fickle.

It would be great to have closed wheel cars that look like that Merc but what we get are  ugly  closed cockpit prototypes. Of course we also have ugly open-wheel Indy cars. 

johndej said:

In reply to codrus (Forum Supporter) :

Bringing in moto gp is apples to oranges, might as well ask why mustangs win air races. In order to be the fastest most technological advanced series, open wheels are holding back F1. Also both them and LMP are too damn big, but that's on me.

open wheels are holding back F1 -  there are hundreds of pages in the rule book with things holding F1 back from being faster. Min weights, no active aero or suspension.  Back to MotoGP. those look like A$$ with the aero rules, and F1 used to have tons of little winglets on the cars. Imagine how ugly a LMP with dozens of little wings all over it would look.

In reply to Tom1200 :

Whenever I think about what a race car looks like, those are the first cars that pop into my head. Just gorgeous...

F1 canoe?  Or since open wheel it's a kayak?

Curious if Williams will show good pace this weekend. They have been making good steps forward and I would be nice to see them perform at a higher down force track with lots of turns. 

In reply to Advan046 :

I sure hope so- they appear to be on the same general track as McLaren was when they climbed up the grid.

1.3 seconds.  I haven't watched FP2, but logic suggests that if McLaren can find their way from DFL at the start of last year, Red Bull can fall that far in the same period.

A guys gotta wonder whether the Newey leaving/ Horner diddling/Jos bitching has added up to a bunch of trouble.

Lando Norris tops FP3 in Singapore with a really impressive time of 1:29:646

That was a really interesting interesting FP session. Qualifying will be fun.

Advan046 said:

Curious if Williams will show good pace this weekend. They have been making good steps forward and I would be nice to see them perform at a higher down force track with lots of turns. 

So watching Q1, I started out thinking how Sargent hampered Williams development so much that Albon and Colopinto's car are so different.  But then at the end, they are both in the top 10 not very far apart.  Now I think Sargent hampered development because he didn't get the most out of that car.  

Colopinto is really showing his value showing the team how close the two cars are even though the spec is different.  It's really a shame that we all have to wait at least another season to see him in a regular F1 spot- he's seems quite good out there.