Formula 1 2024 Season

alfadriver said:

NY Nick said:

Keith Tanner said:

In reply to Docwemple :

You're missing out. The second half of this year (ever since the Red Bull braking tweak was outlawed) has been pretty solid.

Quoted for truth, The second half of 2024 has been great. So many questions about this tweak that were never explained and will never be answered. 

IMHO, there's no real point in trying to convince someone they are incorrect.  Especially when you compare an odd DQ to benefit a specific driver to the rulings that have been going on since the end of the '21 season.  That sucked really bad, but since then it's been more that RBR just figured the formula out better than anyone else- which sucks as much for Mercedes fans as it did for RBR fans when Mercedes dominated the original hybrid era.  Not sure where the comparison came from, since they were totally different.  As much as I found fault for the end of the '21 season, I think it was more a NASCAR "can't end under yellow" thinking than seeing how it ended up a biased result.

RB certainly had a superior car for 2022 and 2023. That dramatic RB collapse with the rule clarification in the middle of this season certainly made it look like not all that speed was legal - and showed how much of that speed was the car and how much was the driver (ahem, Perez). That's not the FIA manipulating things, that's RB pushing the limits and being told "no". Which happens all over the grid on a fairly regular basis, although RB seems to be better at it. Maybe Aston will be next year :)

2021 wasn't all about the final race although that was day clearly a manipulation of the rules to get the desired outcome. There were lots of questionable things going on mid-season as well, that race director had a specific outcome in mind and put his thumb on the scale to get there. Think about Spa and the lack of a single lap under yellow. Or a bunch of Max's bad behavior (brake checking? Really?) that went unpunished. 2021 was definitely a low point for the sport and it definitely soured it for a lot of people. I stopped watching for a while as well.

In reply to Keith Tanner :

While brake checking is a bad thing, was there a rule against it?  As far as I know, Max pretty much forced all of the driver behavior rules to be written.  Couldn't penalize someone for being a jerk when there's not a rule against being a jerk.

Keith Tanner said:That dramatic RB collapse with the rule clarification in the middle of this season

Was it the rule clarification or the departure of Newey?  When Adrien wasn't allowed in the meetings anymore is when I saw the team struggle.  Well, that and all the controversy with Horner... and Jos...

In reply to alfadriver :

The violations allowed by RBR, plus the ridiculous allowances given to Max. Complete nonsense,  to be polite. Part of it, honestly, comes down to Domenicali 's ties to Italian Fascists,  Ben Sulayem (and his family's) ties to himan rights abuses, and the like and Verstappen's ties to Bolsinaro, and similar people.  Add Liberty Media's ties to far right politics... Yeah, it'd be nice if sport and politics weren't tied together,  but it does seem to happen. The FIA's rule prohibiting certain speech is just obvious outcome. At any rate, it's sickening. 

triumph7 said:

Keith Tanner said:That dramatic RB collapse with the rule clarification in the middle of this season

Was it the rule clarification or the departure of Newey?  When Adrien wasn't allowed in the meetings anymore is when I saw the team struggle.  Well, that and all the controversy with Horner... and Jos...

It happened so fast I have to think it was more than just Newey not coming to work. It was like a switch. They won 7 of the first 10 races and then 1 of the next 12.

alfadriver said:

In reply to Keith Tanner :

While brake checking is a bad thing, was there a rule against it?  As far as I know, Max pretty much forced all of the driver behavior rules to be written.  Couldn't penalize someone for being a jerk when there's not a rule against being a jerk.

"Causing a collision" seems to be a popular penalty, it would seem to apply.

In reply to Keith Tanner :

But a collision is required....  Lewis was smart enough to not run into him.

In reply to Docwemple :

Well, rules were written to try to get max to change his driving, but he knew how to bend those, too.

As for the rule clarifications that have seemed to hamper RBR- they are the same thing they did with Ferrari back when Seb was driving for them, and it buried them for a few seasons.  Or when the flexi floor for Schumi was found, and clarified.  It's not as if is really something new that a clarification of the rule kills a team.

And Sulayem is FIA, not F1.  But it's also zero difference from previous F1 and FIA leadership.  Max Mosley's father was literally the leadership of the British Fascists.  Which likely carried on with Max.  We can go back, but it's not as if who is running F1 is unique to this time frame that you call WWE.  

For all of what you post, though, how is anything going to change in 2026?  You suggest it will reset then.

alfadriver said:

In reply to Keith Tanner :

But a collision is required....  Lewis was smart enough to not run into him.

There was a collision. And he did get a penalty, I'd forgotten. 10 seconds. I don't know if he got points on his license as well.

2.4g of braking, apparently. On the straight, when he was already going slower than the car behind.

maschinenbau said:

Introducing the new 2026 Cadillac Formuliq

I just want to say I've been giggling about this all day.

Keith Tanner said:

alfadriver said:

In reply to Keith Tanner :

While brake checking is a bad thing, was there a rule against it?  As far as I know, Max pretty much forced all of the driver behavior rules to be written.  Couldn't penalize someone for being a jerk when there's not a rule against being a jerk.

"Causing a collision" seems to be a popular penalty, it would seem to apply.

There is a rule against being a jerk, it's called "unsportsmanlike conduct" or "bringing the sport into disrepute".

In reply to codrus (Forum Supporter) :

Neither of those get you an on track penalty.  

alfadriver said:

In reply to codrus (Forum Supporter) :

Neither of those get you an on track penalty.  

The FIA has a specific flag for unsportsmanlike conduct -- it's a warning and ignoring it will get you an on-track penalty, including potentially a black flag.  I think "exceeding track limits" is technically an "unsportsmanlike conduct" penalty.

In reply to codrus (Forum Supporter) :

Maybe that would help, but given the number of passing rules that Max got written, forgive me for thinking the penalties that they had prior for "being a jerk" on the track had no teeth.  Otherwise, all of these incomplete passing rules they have now would not be needed.

In reply to Docwemple :

We don't watch entertainment because the people are saints. It's not just subject to F1 it's Pro Sports, Corporations, Leaders in Politics, ect ect...Epstein Island, Catholic church scandal, Kraft getting a happy ending, underinflated balls cheating is cheating and happens all day and everyday. People cheat in amateur sports for a plastic trophy. What is concerning is people blatantly see cheating but only reacting at it when it's convenient and manipulating the situation. There are plenty of drivers over the history that have been given blanty allowances because that is human nature.

Saw it pop up on an article slightly more than just forums/Twitter/etc. But the speculation is Gasley got such a good run with DRS that he hit the top of the gear limit at max speed that ended up blowing the motor. https://www.f1oversteer.com/news/the-potential-role-yuki-tsunoda-played-in-pierre-gaslys-las-vegas-grand-prix-engine-failure/

In reply to trigun7469 :

Here, though, it's bad enough that they race in nations that commit human rights violations (hell, the US is guilty of that)  but, to literally, blatantly take the title from Lewis to give it to the whitest guy(and I mean direct connections to fascism). I have to believe Fangio is rolling in his grave. Not looking for sainthood but Max exemplifies everything i hope my boys aren't. Ad his average skills (for a F1 pilot) and his extremely dangerous driving (Lewis would have certainly died in Monza if it weren't for the halo) and you have a pointless exercise. I'll continue to watch vintage F1 for now, and forget that most of my heros are dead.

In reply to Docwemple :

Would love to see a source for these claims, especially from someone who claims to not even follow F1.

In reply to maschinenbau :

Who said I don't follow.  I have been watching F1 since before Lauda was a World Champion 

In reply to Docwemple :

So you are basing everything on the one season mostly one race, extrapolating that into the current, and ignoring the same in the past.  Got it.  

I don't think anyone really disagrees that it was an abomination.  But most disagree that it's still 100% full on since and that it's never happened before.

Red Bull and Max are winning more because they just found the secret of the current formula, JUST LIKE McLaren, Williams, Ferrari, Mercedes, etc have done in the past.  Heck, even Red Bull did that for 4 seasons in a row before.

Can Max be seen as a bad guy- perhaps.  Jos certainly has a sketchy past as his father.  Max drives a lot like Seb did and even like Mike S did in terms of being a bully on the track.

But if you want to hang your hat on that, and constantly harp on F1 because of one season, one race that is just F1, well, that's your option.  

Makes me wonder why you waste your own time following just to hate it.

Not remotely.  But, whatever makes you feel comfortable.  Not going into world politics,  nor RBRs history of continuous riddles violations, nor Masi's history and how his current situation came about. 

In reply to alfadriver :

It wasn't just one race. There were multiple questionable calls in 2021. That season was definitely intended to give F1 a different WDC. If only Lewis hadn't screwed up the restart in Baku...

Docwemple said:

Not remotely.  But, whatever makes you feel comfortable.  Not going into world politics,  nor RBRs history of continuous riddles violations, nor Masi's history and how his current situation came about. 

Which are pretty much the same as the past.  You've heard of Max Mosley, for sure.  Or the number of times Ferrari got caught but not punished.  

You ignore all of the past times the exact same things happened.  Why?  

In reply to Docwemple :

If you don't have something nice to say, then don't say anything at all. You don't have to post in this thread and every time you do, you drive us further off course than Lando went in Brazil.

In reply to Keith Tanner :

I did say one season, mostly one race.

If "ifs" were a fifth...  Lewis would have 8 had he not beached his car in China in 2007.

(which reminds me how Spanish fans were incredibly racist in 2008- again, that's overlooked as if it didn't happen relative to Max by Doc)