Formula One - 2016

markwemple wrote: Wow. So you had your foot on his brake pedal. That's amazing since his teal confirmed brake loss and you could see a lot of dust off his brakes during the race.

It looked to me that they slowed the same rate.

If Nico had actual brake failure, he should have shot by Lewis under braking.

Which is what happened to Perez just a few moments after this incident. Where he plowed into the barrier and all. Same corner, too.

Nico did slow almost the same as Lewis. He made no real attempt at the apex, though.

It wasn't complete failure, they said it went into a default or safety mode. Hos brakes were producing more brake dust than Lewis most of the race. It probably was one of the reasons Lewis caught him.

In reply to markwemple:

Watch it again. They enter the braking zone with Hamilton slightly ahead, and it stays the same until Lewis turns in.

If there is a difference, it's only a few inches.

Which would hardly be a braking failure mode.

IMHO.

One correction, Perez didn't crash in turn 2. It was later.

red_stapler wrote:

That pretty well sums it up right there. Rosberg has not even attempted to turn the wheel and he is WAY off line! Look at the rubber. He is clearly making an attempt to run Hamilton off the track.

NGTD wrote:

red_stapler wrote:

That pretty well sums it up right there. Rosberg has not even attempted to turn the wheel and he is WAY off line! Look at the rubber. He is clearly making an attempt to run Hamilton off the track.

I have zero respect for either of these babies. I think that Nico tried to take out LEWIS, but that pic looks like Nico is turning, but his wheels are almost straight. Look at the wheel, you can see the ugly green gloves are turning almost as much as LEWIS.

Both of them have their left hands at 12 o clock.

Nico could have turned in before he did, brake issues or not. Watch the replays. He doesn't begin turning until after Lewis does. And he wasn't looking to the apex.

Anyone claiming this wasn't an intentional block, is simply being a fan of that driver. And his excuse, other than the brake thing, was the most preposterous thing I have heard. His tortured interpretation of that thought process is ridiculous.

His hands came off the wheel from the contact. The steering arms are behind the wheel, which means contact with the leading edge of the tire results in kickback through the steering wheel. It's why Indy drivers take their hands off the wheel in a crash.

Just finished watching the Channel 4 coverage. They compared lap 71 with lap 70 - Nico took a dramatically different line even though he was dealing with another driver on 70 as well. David Coulthard didn't have a lot of doubt about whose fault it was, he laid it all at Nico's feet.

Nico's lucky he didn't get launched into the air when the cars interlocked wheels. That could have been ugly. The look on Lewis' face when the interviewers asked him what the mood was in the Mercedes garage was pretty funny.

Great race all around. Hamilton is having some kind of trouble with the pit stops. I loved the insight last year( or 2014) Weber during his interview of the podium drivers. Stating that Hamilton was missing his marks in the box. Thus the slow pitstops. I wonder if he is doing the same now.

Button's battles all race were cool. Go JB!! I feel bad for Ricciardo, it seems that the team is doing to him what they did to Sebastian Bourdais. I think we missed coverage of a great battle between Werhlein and Bottas near the end. Grojean is earning his pay I wonder if Haas with have a winning car for him in 17.

Rosberg drove very well making aggressive and even beautiful passes to get to the lead. Probably his best performance until turn 1 of the last lap.

It seemed a simple error of when to brake and turn in by Nico. If he turned in 1 meter earlier and it would probably have been his win. I blame Nico and his car. Brake system failure would cause him to be traveling just a little faster than expected when he wanted to turn in so he delayed his turn in a fraction. So taking Hamilton deep into T2 became too deep. He just doesn't seem good at defending hard.

But Nico then decided to talk instead of just saying he needed to talk to the team first. Makes himself look pretty bad. I autocrossed a guy like him. He was a nice guy. But would go off right at the point of losing. Then be a cool guy again with apologies for his moment. Passion of competition turns him and Rosberg ugly.

I don't think Rosberg will race for any other team.

The booing was extremely odd. I could understand the wrong screwed up thought process to boo Vettel.(Team gives him Weber's wing, some comments that seemed arrogant, still not justified to boo) But didn't see anything to cause booing of Hamilton?!? Weird.

It seems odd to me that the people in control at Mercedes have not had enough of these two hitting each other. It's past the point of being ridiculous. Race cars are expensive to fix, and then there's the issue of income lost to DNFs and poor finishes. Most businesses that had an employee costing them money would fire said employee. On the other hand, this is much more entertaining than the Schumacher days at Ferrari where there was always clearly a #1 driver and then another seat spacer.

In reply to ncjay: Mercedes is so far ahead of everybody else, and the pace both drivers I think is so far ahead of any other #1& #2 driver pairs. The moves that occur between the 2 are never clean, but even if the both went out they both go to the next race leading both standings. Replacing Nico is not that simple, as not many have got along with Hamilton. If they replace him with a young driver like Wherlien, it will be as much competition, but less pace and reliability. If I was Nico I would continue what he is doing and get a championship at all cost as he probably won't have a car that good again.

Advan046 wrote: The booing was extremely odd. I could understand the wrong screwed up thought process to boo Vettel.(Team gives him Weber's wing, some comments that seemed arrogant, still not justified to boo) But didn't see anything to cause booing of Hamilton?!? Weird.

Hm. I skipped past most of the post-race stuff, so I didn't see any booing. My guess would be that the Austrian crowd wanted the German driver to win, and so assumed that the collision on the last lap was Hamilton's fault?

Rosberg had brake problems which is why he was slow, and why Hamilton caught him and was able to make a pass. It wasn't an outright failure that made him go straight on at that corner.

This is the third time Rosberg has driven into Hamilton rather than accept that he'd already lost the pass (Spa 2014, Spain and now Austria this year). Each one of those has gotten progressively worse outcomes for Rosberg...

codrus wrote: This is the third time Rosberg has driven into Hamilton rather than accept that he'd already lost the pass (Spa 2014, Spain and now Austria this year).

nderwater wrote:

codrus wrote: This is the third time Rosberg has driven into Hamilton rather than accept that he'd already lost the pass (Spa 2014, Spain and now Austria this year).

Everyone who follows F1 knows damn well that (if the positions were reversed) Lewis would have done something similar to keep Rosberg behind him. Yeah, Nico was the putz this time but Lewis has repeatedly jammed him with passes that would have ended like Spain had Rosberg not backed off.

Rosberg set the precedent by letting Hamilton through when a little more moxie on his part would have put them both before the principle and the resulting team order decree would have stopped crap like this years ago.

I like Nico, but that was a bad move on his part that cost him the win or at least a solid 2nd place.

Lewis learned a while ago that he cold push Nico around, so he does. Nico is now trying to push back, but he's not very good at it- Most of the time, he comes out on the losing end.

And as an aside, I have no trouble at all with Lewis pushing him around.

In reply to oldsaw:

Maybe. But I still think a decent corner by whoever was inside, they would have won based on getting out of the corner better. Even with the upcoming drs zone.

Rosberg has made more than one mistake when Lewis closed on him, some really obvious like Monza when he missed the chicane.

That first corner screw up could have been brakes. Or it could just be Rosberg falling apart again.

The thing with me is. If Nico would either say "ya I punted Lewis". Or "I botched the corner and plowed him".

Instead he is blaming everything short of the current moon phase for what happened. If he would just own it I would be completely behind him but as it is now I hope Hamilton keeps sticking it to him.

oldsaw wrote:

nderwater wrote:

codrus wrote: This is the third time Rosberg has driven into Hamilton rather than accept that he'd already lost the pass (Spa 2014, Spain and now Austria this year).

Everyone who follows F1 knows damn well that (if the positions were reversed) Lewis would have done something similar to keep Rosberg behind him. Yeah, Nico was the putz this time but Lewis has repeatedly jammed him with passes that would have ended like Spain had Rosberg not backed off. Rosberg set the precedent by letting Hamilton through when a little more moxie on his part would have put them both before the principle and the resulting team order decree would have stopped crap like this years ago.

I think Hamilton would have been defensive, but not so clumsy as to just drive straight into his teammate. There's a difference between "aggressive" and "dumb".

Keith Tanner wrote: I think Hamilton would have been defensive, but not so clumsy as to just drive straight into his teammate. There's a difference between "aggressive" and "dumb".

I can't help but interpret that as, aggressive = successful and dumb = not successful.

At least Nascar has more than two drivers to talk about.

iceracer wrote: At least Nascar has more than two drivers to talk about.

Wait there are more drivers than Danica Patrick and Tony Stewart?