Giulia twin turbo V6 into a Fiata.

Dude had his 1.4t fail in his fiata so he is putting a Giulia twin turbo V6 with a manual in his fiata.
part 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNvh7Ui55Pw

part 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYPIBOHs9T8

​​​​​​​only 2 parts so far,  seems pretty interesting so far.

Bookmarked for holiday watching after a brief outing. Thank You, Sir!

Thats gonna be one helluva fiata. Im excited to see how it comes together.

Can't wait to see this once it's done!

as much as I like the turbo 1.4 in my Abarth, I think the v6 is a better choice for the 124

He had one turbo fiat motor fail, so hes putting a larger one with more turbos in? I'm no genius, but I dont remember the last ttv6 from those guys working all that well. 

bet it would be cheaper to do an LS swap

Toebra said:

bet it would be cheaper to do an LS swap

Played out.

I mean, it's never been done before, but so boring. And so easy, other than all the massive problems with interfacing the new parts to the Fiata network.

I'm more interested in the fact that he blew up the 1.4.

It doesn't sound like he actually blew it up. Just had a failure of the multiaire solenoid. I have done one on a Fiat 500. It was an easy job but required an expensive tool and the part wasn't cheap either.

Engine died out of warranty on a Fiata already? Didn't those come out....like last year?  

Is he keeping the steering rack?  Tell me he took out the steering rack. I like Keith's stories about how the ND won't let you lock the doors if you've removed the steering rack. Throwing that on top of swapping in the latest iteration of the bi-turbo motor and we've got ourselves a show 

I'm also curious about whatever happened to the stock 1.4.

Keith, any idea if all the work you guys have done figuring out swaps in the ND will translate to the systems of the fiata?

Quite probably, as I suspect the Fiata uses all the body electronics from the Miata.

With a V6, he can probably keep the EPAS and save himself a world of electronic pain. Maybe. It'll be interesting to see.

Toebra said:

bet it would be cheaper to do an LS swap

He talks about that in his videos, and explains why he didn't take that route.

stuart in mn said:

Toebra said:

bet it would be cheaper to do an LS swap

He talks about that in his videos, and explains why he didn't take that route.

And I was right. It's "played out"  He does seem to overestimate the number of NDs that have the engine - I've driven every one of them - and there isn't a kit available yet for either the ND or the 124. But that's cool, he's got his reasons for hoeing his own row and I'm not second-guessing them. It just gave me a bit of a laugh about how "common" they are.

The measuring session was (I assume) edited for video. Of course the manifold-to-manifold distance is shorter on the 60 degree V6 than the 90 degree V8 - but those manifolds have to include a turbo on each side of the engine. The 29" height of the 5.3 is the height of a truck engine with the tall truck intake and pan, not the car stuff. It's closer to 24", and that just fits under the ND hood once you've removed some sound deadening and installed a low-profile pan. So he's stacking the deck a little bit with measurements. Still, 23" is pretty impressive for the Alfa given that V6s are usually taller. The displacement is probably a factor there, it's a pretty small engine.

A front view of the two side by side would be interesting to see, from panning around the Alfa V6 I suspect that packaging the turbos is going to be the real challenge. They addressed that somewhat but it's going to be the hard part. The big motor on the EPAS rack is probably also likely to cause problems so we'll see how they deal with that. He's lucky that the ND has more room between the chassis rails than any other Miata and the Fiat has a bulkier nose than the ND so there's more room for the wide throttle body placement and all the extra turbo plumbing. The Fiata also starts with an extra 100 lbs on the nose compared to the ND so he's ahead of the curve when it comes to keeping the balance close to stock. I don't think it'll end up lighter than an LS swap because of all of the turbo plumbing, but he's pulling out a bunch of turbo and an iron block engine. 

In reply to Keith Tanner :

And on the off chance he does manage to finish it up equal to or lighter than stock weight and it all fits well enough, it'll really beg some questions as far as why the V6 wasn't put in there from the factory...

TGMF said:

Engine died out of warranty on a Fiata already? Didn't those come out....like last year?  

That tends to happen when you go FBO, tune and big turbo haha

rslifkin said:

In reply to Keith Tanner :

And on the off chance he does manage to finish it up equal to or lighter than stock weight and it all fits well enough, it'll really beg some questions as far as why the V6 wasn't put in there from the factory...

I don't think it'll end up lighter than stock unless there's some tapdancing on weight numbers like there was on the L33 measurements.

Aftermarket swaps like this don't have to meet the same requirements that OEs do. Crash tests, crumple zones, serviceability requirements, extreme use - for example, a stock engine has to have a certain amount of clearance over the engine for pedestrian safety. Not so much on a swap. Aftermarket folks may accept more interior heat than the OEs will, or they'll accept more expensive solutions to prevent it. Then there's the abuse level, a stock engine has to survive high altitude and crap gas and heavy load and (theoretically) have an overbuilt transmission. So there are many reasons why Fiat wouldn't have put this particular engine in. Looking at what Mazda did to the 2004 Mazdaspeed turbo Miata really shows this off - they put in larger splines in the rear halfshafts even though it takes a 400 hp track car to damage the other ones.

I'm looking forward to seeing if he uses a modified stock subframe or builds a tubular. I suspect it's going to be the former which is probably the right way to go. He's going to have to figure out how to support the transmission - will he build a PPF replacement or an equivalent to our spider brace? Maybe I should drop him a line to see if he wants to buy one. Where will the shifter end up?

That's the Spanish Inquisition of swaps. Completely unexpected. 

This is too much power in a car like that for my taste but cool none the less.

I'd like to see someone do a high revving n/a build on that v6 into a Fiata. In fact i'd like to see them do a Fiata GTV6 or something with that engine lol. 

First I've heard of the Multi-Air thing. Does that mean you could install a "cam" with a bit of computer programming? 

part 3 is up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XADM0Cup9F8

port+polish and some disassembly 

Part 4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSpPM-TxXt0

Oh and the alfa 2.9tt has the timing chain covers built into the bell housing. Fun design.

The Alfa engine may be a good one, but it sure is ugly.  

I can understand the thinking that the LS is played out in general in the car world, but there is a reason for that. 

When I win the MegaMillions I’m calling Keith to order my LS Fiata.