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chaparral
chaparral GRM+ Memberand Reader
12/19/11 6:18 a.m.

What do you consider the pinnacle of the accomplishments of automotive tinkerers? That is, what do you think is the most that's been accomplished without major industrial support, by some careful thought and busted knuckles by people who thought they could do better than the factories. Ak Miller and "Caballo de Hierro" in Mexico, for example...

My vote goes to the '66 and '67 Formula One titles, won by the Brabham-Repcos: they were tube-frame cars, built in a garage, using an Oldsmobile V8 that GM had given up on, with lots of other street car parts in the engine and chassis. That was a tiny little cat that feasted on some big pigeons...

SVreX
SVreX SuperDork
12/19/11 6:54 a.m.

Wheels777

Andy Nelson for the win!

He has brought a "virtually" different car the to Challenge every year for 6 years (always contending to win the overall), made at least 3 major magazines, and that doesn't stop him from earning land speed records, additional builds with his kids, or just being a great guy overall.

I'm not just brown-nosing. Any guy that can lap valves with a belt sander is a major winner in this category.

JThw8
JThw8 SuperDork
12/19/11 6:56 a.m.

Yep, Andy gets my vote too.

chaparral
chaparral GRM+ Memberand Reader
12/19/11 7:01 a.m.

Mid tens for $2000 is certainly impressive!

bosco
bosco New Reader
12/19/11 7:08 a.m.

In the beginning

Smokey Yunick........stock cars

Don Garlits..............drag racing

Tommy Riggins......... IMSA road racing

Jerry Hansen ...........SCCA road racing

pinchvalve
pinchvalve GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
12/19/11 8:04 a.m.

Gurney Eagles.

Cobra Coupes.

Mini Cooper Rally.

pinchvalve
pinchvalve GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
12/19/11 8:07 a.m.

And the opposite would be: That just did not work out well.

ahutson03
ahutson03 Reader
12/19/11 9:07 a.m.

Mini rally grassroots? They were factory backed and Bmc already had a lot of experience rallying Austin healeys

aussiesmg
aussiesmg SuperDork
12/19/11 9:17 a.m.
chaparral wrote: What do you consider the pinnacle of the accomplishments of automotive tinkerers? That is, what do you think is the most that's been accomplished without major industrial support, by some careful thought and busted knuckles by people who thought they could do better than the factories. Ak Miller and "Caballo de Hierro" in Mexico, for example... My vote goes to the '66 and '67 Formula One titles, won by the Brabham-Repcos: they were tube-frame cars, built in a garage, using an Oldsmobile V8 that GM had given up on, with lots of other street car parts in the engine and chassis. That was a tiny little cat that feasted on some big pigeons...

i completely agree, as for the Gurney Eagle, it failed actually win the championship while the Brabham won two.

Giant Purple Snorklewacker
Giant Purple Snorklewacker SuperDork
12/19/11 9:18 a.m.
pres589
pres589 Dork
12/19/11 9:49 a.m.

Is there some kind of Captain Hong or Hong King? I'd give that guy some consideration should he exist.

alex
alex SuperDork
12/19/11 12:22 p.m.

In addition to Smokey, I'd nominate Max Balchowsky for his Old Yeller efforts.

I like his engineering style:

Does Jim Hall count as grassroots?

oldtin
oldtin Dork
12/19/11 12:26 p.m.

Might as well throw Colin Chapman into the mix - the guy starts a car company as a part-time gig - had a few championships under his belt (7).

Conquest351
Conquest351 HalfDork
12/19/11 12:34 p.m.

Jim Hall most certainly counts!! And wins!!! He built everything in his shop and of his own design. Chevy eventually backed him with engines, but the shiftable automatics and active aerodynamics were all Jim. He's my hero.

Joe Gearin
Joe Gearin Associate Publisher
12/19/11 1:55 p.m.

IMHO no one comes close to the "Grassroots" spirit as Max Balchowski. (Old Yeller) He cobbled together cars in his shop that gave the fastest cars in the world fits. I remember reading he used a big hill near his house as a "dyno".

Smokey Yunick is also on the list, but more for his Indy runs, than his NASCAR stuff. He usually had factory support for his NASCAR teams, the Indy stuff was straight out of his head--------ie Capsule Car

bosco
bosco New Reader
12/19/11 2:01 p.m.
mguar wrote: Jerry Hansen? Are you kidding? He never got his hands dirty on any of the cars he raced.. While he was a clever, smart, and very talented driver. A mechanic he wasn't, nor was he a builder, designer, engineer, or anything else..

I was thinking ofputting an asterisk by his name because of that and the fact, I don't think he needed any factory money. He was a car guy and idea guy and His record of achievement was outstanding .

93EXCivic
93EXCivic SuperDork
12/19/11 2:09 p.m.
alex wrote: In addition to Smokey, I'd nominate Max Balchowsky for his Old Yeller efforts.

That is what I thought of first.

And the Mini rally team wasn't in any way Grassroots.

kreb
kreb GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
12/19/11 2:16 p.m.

I know that he's a bike guy, but in the last 40 years has there ever been a privateer the likes of John Britten?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Britten

GTwannaB
GTwannaB GRM+ Memberand Reader
12/19/11 2:40 p.m.

Did Tommy Ivo build his own stuff?

pres589
pres589 Dork
12/19/11 2:51 p.m.

Ivo was also a TV star at the time and had funding from that so I don't think he could be considered "grassroots".

a401cj
a401cj GRM+ Memberand Reader
12/19/11 3:24 p.m.

Ken Tyrell. Weren't all his F1 cars supposedly build in the machine shed at his sawmill?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Tyrrell

Gasoline
Gasoline Reader
12/19/11 3:33 p.m.

http://www.standard1320.com/Ivo/Buicks/TwinBuick/TwinBuick.html

slantvaliant
slantvaliant Dork
12/19/11 4:23 p.m.

Barney Navarro deserves mention. Anyone who would take on Indy with a Rambler six is my kind of guy.

chandlerGTi
chandlerGTi Reader
12/19/11 8:19 p.m.

How about Mickey Thompson, I just finished his autobiography for the tenth time. Good stuff.

mthomson22
mthomson22 New Reader
12/19/11 8:46 p.m.

Seriously? No one has mentioned Anthony Joseph Foyt!!

One of the most iconic car builder/racers in Indy history.

Orange Coyotes!!!!

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