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Knurled
Knurled GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
10/30/17 8:03 p.m.

In reply to Grizz :

He was doing it before it was cool.

 

Heh.  Notice that the official whatever-happening is going to be at 4:26pm?

 

 

MrChaos
MrChaos GRM+ Memberand Dork
10/30/17 8:12 p.m.

That’s because the 306 hp, 295 lb-ft engine is only available for purchase through Honda Performance Development’s Honda Racing Line program. Yes, forget about spirited on-road motoring in a vehicle inspired by a now-deleted Honda tweet. The Type R crate engine is a track-only proposition.

Honda claims the engine’s availability “to U.S. grassroots and professional racers for verified, closed-course racing applications through the HPD Honda Racing Line program” follows years of enviable Type R motor availability in Europe and Asia. Now that the engine sits in a U.S. production vehicle, the automaker’s spreading the fun around. Honda noted its “long-term commitment to the support of grassroots racing” in the United States and elsewhere.

Civic Type R crate engine, Image: Honda

Once a buyer proves they’re obtaining the motor for sanctioned racing purposes, Honda will hand it over for the sum of $6,519.87, minus shipping costs.

Having proven its track prowess in the hands of experienced racers, it’ll be interesting to see the Type R’s engine set up shop under the hood of specially modified and purpose-built track machines. Maybe someone’ll bring a HR-V.

Honda now in the game with a type r engine too 

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
10/30/17 8:27 p.m.

First place to look there is oe fitments. The engine comes in at least three production cars. 

dropstep
dropstep SuperDork
10/30/17 9:28 p.m.

Its certainly neat that its available. Im sure these will be all over tv shows for swaps. 

FlightService
FlightService MegaDork
10/31/17 5:31 a.m.

I am more meh on the Honda engine.  

 

Ford has the EcoBoost available with similar numbers and isn't asking for a DNA sample.

honda having crate engines is a step in the right direction, now do better

tr8todd
tr8todd Dork
10/31/17 6:00 a.m.

I love my Ford trucks, so I guess that makes me a Ford guy.  When it came time to try and build the fastest Triumph TR8 I could, the engine choice was obvious... LS3 with mods.  When you can pick up complete low mileage 6 speed donor Camaros for under $10K, that leaves a lot of money left over compared to crate engines, for things like custom driveshafts, rear ends, and engine mods.

dean1484
dean1484 GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
10/31/17 7:34 p.m.

Was watching autoweek and Jeep is putting it in there four door suv thing.  

Knurled
Knurled GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
10/31/17 7:44 p.m.
tr8todd said:

I love my Ford trucks, so I guess that makes me a Ford guy.  When it came time to try and build the fastest Triumph TR8 I could, the engine choice was obvious... LS3 with mods.  When you can pick up complete low mileage 6 speed donor Camaros for under $10K, that leaves a lot of money left over compared to crate engines, for things like custom driveshafts, rear ends, and engine mods.

 

Chevy were kind enough to make the computer systems swap-tolerant, either by choice or by happenstance.

Take a look at that "Hellcat engine on a pallet".  That is everything needed to make the production PCM happy.  The FUEL TANK and TAILLIGHTS are on the pallet in addition to the instrument cluster, steering column, and other miscellany.  (It was also selling for $32k.  I suspect that price will drop)  GM doesn't have nearly that level of cross-network requirements, at most you need the fuel level sender, which is probably still the same 90-0 ohm sender that they have used since the beginning of time.  Or you can leave it disconnected and disable the fault codes for fuel level.

 

From another angle, some people do not want used parts, they want new.  From a still further angle, if a person is having another shop do the work, it doesn't pay at all to acquire a donor vehicle for parts, since you'll be paying to take a second car apart.

 

We actually looked into that last one, we had a guy with a '73 Mustang who wanted a relatively modern EFI 5.0/AOD setup installed.  I did some research on my own time and figured the best swap candidate would be to find a late LTD, which has the most swap friendly wiring harness.  (Something about the location of the PCM and stuff, all my notes are at work and this was five or six years ago)  By the time we could locate a donor vehicle, acquire it, have it shipped to us, and pull it apart, one of the lower end drop-in crate engines would have been way cheaper.  That was one of those deals that fell through when the guy realized that his internal estimate was off by nearly an order of magnitude.

 

I can't wait for the next guy who wants a high powered LS swap install.  The easy button is that LS9 crate engine.  The upfront parts expense is way more than overshadowed by the reduced labor.  Of course, nobody would go for it.

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