Help with SCCA re-classing my CAM-C Cobra for a National Tour ProSolo?

So the Packwood, WA SCCA National Tour and ProSolo are coming up. I can't make the NT, but the ProSolo has been the highlight of my calendar all year. Unfortunately there are no co-drivers in the same class at ProSolo and there are is also no Ladies-class CAM (my co-driver is female). If we run a "regular" class like Street Prepared or Prepared, then she and I can both drive all 3 sessions and she can get into the Ladies' Challenge at the end.

The car is a 1996 SVT Cobra, 4.6L DOHC all-motor. It's the OE engine, trans, and rear diff. No body mods at all except for swapping the decorative rear wing for the 99 Cobra version. Tires are 200TW Falken RT615K+ (255F/275R) on staggered 17's (9F/10.5R) but I'm willing to buy a new setup if that's what it takes. Suspension is the bolt-in Eibach Pro-Street coilover kit, QA1 stock geometry tubular control arms (no spring pockets), Eibach F&R sway bars, Steeda bumpsteer kit, and a Gripp C/C kit. Engine mods are a BBK CAI, BBK long-tube headers, X-pipe, Flowmaster 40's with axle dumps, MSD coils/wires, BBK underdrive pulleys, SCT tuner, Canton puke tank, and oil separator in the PCV. Stock style Luk clutch, stock aluminum flywheel, Steeda adjustable clutch cable/quadrant, stock 8.8/LSD/3.27 gears. Brakes are stock Cobra but with slotted-only StopTech rotors and street/track pads. Interior is all stock and present, trunk carpet is missing. Factory foglights are gone but wiring/switch still there. A/C still present and working.

Is there an SP or P class that it can easily fit in? I have 2.5 weeks to make changes. I thought I could get into STP, but it's not a real class either!

Silly as it sounds, I think removing the trunk carpet bumps you all the way to C Prepared. Even if you put it back in, the same may be true for the coilovers, since the springs are no longer in the stock location.

If I'm wrong, someone please correct me.

In reply to Javelin :

What about SM? You’d be legal there for sure. 

In reply to Will :

I can get a trunk carpet! They just always turn to dust in this era Ford.

Unless it is something special about Packwood or CAM you have always been able to have two drivers in the same class at ProSolo events.

Eh?  You absolutely can have co-drivers in prosolo.

In reply to moxnix :

Not at National Tour ProSolo events if I'm reading correctly. One driver gets 1 heat, the other driver gets 2 heats, only 1 can get into the challenge. 

Looks like the car is 100% STP legal, but it's a provisional class!

I'd be ESP legal except the front coilovers...

I can do CP no matter what. 

I dont think the front control arms are ESP legal, or STP legal...

I think you might be stuck with either SM or CP. The control arms + the CC plates throw you in the deep end.  you could do either or.  So, mod wise, I would advise stock LCAs to make STP.  That said, you arent nationally eligible for STP because you are a cobra. (unless a fasttrack has come out) you are under a catch-all listing, the mustang listing for the SN95 is GT and V6 only.  It is notable that STP is actually PAX'd slower than CAM-C by the tiniest bit, so in normal operation, all else equal, its better to be there. 

between CP and SM, go CP as the Pax comparison has SM as the faster class. 

Relevant rule language that puts you out of STP:

On arm-and-strut (MacPherson/Chapman) suspensions, the lower arms may be modified/replaced OR other methods of camber adjustment as allowed by Sections 14.8.B, C, or F may be used, but NOT both.

In reply to Apexcarver :

There's a specific clause waaaay at the end of STP that allows front MacPherson strut cars to run coilovers as long as the LCA is stock geometry, which mine are. Good catch on the Cobra not being listed yet though, that's crazy! A 425HP, IRS 17 GT is allowed, but not a 305HP, SRA 22 year old SN95?!?

I would bet that it would pretty instantly be classed if someone with an scca membership wrote it in.  

I was under the impression that you couldnt change the LCA's if you did the CC plates as that was an either or. Guess I never thought about the angle of same geometry tubular replacement. I have a feeling that it miiight not be legal, but not completely up on that one. 

Actually, I think the bumpsteer kit also kicks you out of  ESP (and likely STP, though I am not as up on that ruleset).  

That said, it depends if anyone really wants to protest.  The newer cars in STP provide a steep hill to climb as far as being competitive.  Hate to be a killjoy. 

I just double checked the prosolo rules and you can have co-drivers and both drivers can get into the challenge.  What are you reading????

Both drivers will get the same number of runs as single drivers. 

Read section 20.10.F – Two-Driver Teams of the prosolo rules.  Section 20.10.M.4 deals with two driver teams in the challenge. 

Do the long tube headers and X-pipe meet the STP cat location requirements of 14.10.E?

moxnix said:

I just double checked the prosolo rules and you can have co-drivers and both drivers can get into the challenge.  What are you reading????

Both drivers will get the same number of runs as single drivers. 

Read section 20.10.F – Two-Driver Teams of the prosolo rules.  Section 20.10.M.4 deals with two driver teams in the challenge. 

Those are the rules I'm reading. 20.10.F is super confusing with the chart. It makes it look like just driver 1 gets heat 1, and only the best driver gets the challenge. I am misinterpreting them though, so great!

Unfortunately, still no Ladies' class for CAM.

Ian F said:

Do the long tube headers and X-pipe meet the STP cat location requirements of 14.10.E?

Depends on if they are measuring off of the original pre-cat or main cat. Main cat then yes, pre-cat then no. Emissions rules are silly for 22 year old cars, you can't even by the OE style cats anymore. Modern single-cat 3-ways are far superior. Not going to bump into a different provisional class anyway. I think we're just going to say eff it and run C Prepared!

In reply to Apexcarver :

We decided we're going to buy a set of Hoosier's and run the car way up in C Prepared! We stand a better shot against a bunch of old crotchety race cars that might not start than 8 of the fastest, newest muscle cars. Plus there's a Ladies' class for Prepared so my co-driver can run the Ladies' Challenge at the end of the weekend since there's a near-zero shot at us taking any class to get into the super challenge anyway.

In reply to Javelin :

Sounds like you're OK:

...but CP is probably the easier choice.

In reply to Ian F :

Hey thanks! Trying to navigate these rules is a bear somethimes.

Javelin said:

moxnix said:

I just double checked the prosolo rules and you can have co-drivers and both drivers can get into the challenge.  What are you reading????

Both drivers will get the same number of runs as single drivers. 

Read section 20.10.F – Two-Driver Teams of the prosolo rules.  Section 20.10.M.4 deals with two driver teams in the challenge. 

Those are the rules I'm reading. 20.10.F is super confusing with the chart. It makes it look like just driver 1 gets heat 1, and only the best driver gets the challenge. I am misinterpreting them though, so great!

Unfortunately, still no Ladies' class for CAM.

20.10.F Section 4 - That chart is just what driver runs first.

Read section 3 about how the second driver runs.  Or since you are running CP/CPL you can ignore it.

Javelin said:

In reply to Apexcarver :

We decided we're going to buy a set of Hoosier's and run the car way up in C Prepared! 

You are going to LOVE the car on Rcomps.  Big transformation.  

Javelin said:

In reply to Apexcarver :

We decided we're going to buy a set of Hoosier's and run the car way up in C Prepared! We stand a better shot against a bunch of old crotchety race cars that might not start than 8 of the fastest, newest muscle cars. Plus there's a Ladies' class for Prepared so my co-driver can run the Ladies' Challenge at the end of the weekend since there's a near-zero shot at us taking any class to get into the super challenge anyway.

Prepared in Prosolo will run in a combined pax class.  I think it's Race4 (R4) so you will be against every Prepared car based on pax. 

CAM also runs this way at pros, you will run with CAMS and CAMT and it's pax adjusted from there. 

Any class that doesn't make 5 will be moved to Bump class to ensure atleast 5 competitors in your heat.  You will compete with pax in that bump class.  PAX competition with other classes will have some course dependacy.  The Race and Street classes that you will see were made for low attendance classes in an attempt to make less course/surface dependacy for the "bump" class.

In reply to ztnedman1 :

Thanks! There's already 5 registered Prepared cars, a ridiculously well-developed Evo and an awesome 240Z in FP (both with 2 drivers) and some other old car I can't remember. CP has a favorable PAX to FP, whereas CAMC is supposed to be faster than CAMT (really the non-IRS SN95's should be in CAMT, it's kind of ridiculous that they aren't). We're also going to do stupid stuff like leave half of the interior at home (the car is already 3300 lbs in full-tank race weight, which is a lot lighter than I thought it would be!). 

Well I signed up for the Street 3 Index using the STP PAX! Now to get the Cobra accepted in the class by the SCCA...

I’ve done 6 pro solos including a finale, and every one of those was with a codriver. Your female codriver would have to run open class to be in the same heat, or you could do the tuck and run in one of the L classes. 

Spoolpigeon said:

I’ve done 6 pro solos including a finale, and every one of those was with a codriver. Your female codriver would have to run open class to be in the same heat, or you could do the tuck and run in one of the L classes. 

Luckily my codriver is female!