How can Porsche claim 28,000 victories in motorsports?

Well, They automatically win all of the GT3 and porsche cup races held. Then there is club racing, DTM, World challenge, etc.

I could definitely see 360 wins a year.

Every PCA AutoX weekend has a good number of P-car victories. Over other P-cars, but hey, it's their club, they make the rules!

But just think... In Porsche Cup and GT3 races they finished last as well...

That could mean anything. Autocross, endurance, cup, sports car, rally etc. I have even seen 911s at the drag strip. Doesn't Mazda claim that they are the winningest brand or some such thing? Anyway, Porsche has had a lot of victories over the years so that much is true.

It's plausible...as mentioned before, a Porsche wins every race in a Porsche-only event/class...and then if you include all the amateur racing across the world, you could have 360 wins per year.

In reply to Feedyurhed:

Mazda claims that "On any given weekend there are more Mazdas on the road-race tracks of America than any other brand of vehicle." They say nothing about wining.

I can see it even if you exclude one make series. How many classes are there at a single race?. I just plugged in a random LeMans (1976) and I counted the overall plus two other class wins. How many races in the world endurance championship that year, or whatever it was called then (The world championship of makes, World sports car championship etc. etc.) At each round there were 4 or 5 categories. On top of the world series there has always been a European series, various single country series especially in the UK, Germany and Italy. There was also the Interseries, various North American series, a Japanese series etc. etc. I'll bet there are 50 Sports/endurance races a year with 3-5 categories each. Then add in Touring car racing, Rallying, Hillclimb (very big in Europe) and club level multi make series and it adds up fast. Heck, when I was a kid my dad used to take me to club races in the UK. There was a very healthy inter mark championship in the UK with Jags, Astons, Ferrari's, Porsches etc. First time I saw a real 935 was at a club race at Silverstone, I will never forget the flames out the back on the overrun entering the old Woodcote corner before it was pussiefied.

I wonder how Ford or Chevrolet stack up? Nascar, sprint cars, drag races, mud bogs and monster trucks help them, but they are not as international in scope. (well, Ford is. Hmmmm)

In reply to Adrian_Thompson:

Pussiefied?

tomtomgt356 wrote: In reply to Feedyurhed: Mazda claims that "On any given weekend there are more Mazdas on the road-race tracks of America than any other brand of vehicle." They say nothing about wining.

Thanks spec pinata.....

In reply to jstein77:

It was the corner, not the 935, that was "pussiefied".

From the mighty Wikipedia:

"For the 1975 meeting a chicane was introduced to try to tame speeds through the mighty Woodcote Corner (although MotoGP would still use the circuit without the chicane up until 1986), and Bridge Corner was subtly rerouted in 1987."

It all depends on what races you are using to count the "victories". There are potentially a lot more than 28,000 victories for Porsche.

pinchvalve wrote: I wonder how Ford or Chevrolet stack up? Nascar, sprint cars, drag races, mud bogs and monster trucks help them, but they are not as international in scope. (well, Ford is. Hmmmm)

IMHO it's not a "Ford" unless it's a Ford-derived chassis. A sprint car with a tube-frame chassis and a Ford engine doesn't count as a "Ford".

300+ victories a year doesn't sound out of line at all if you're including all of the one-make Porsche series.

There are four or five classes at every dragstrip almost every week and almost all of the are Chevy or ford. I bet if you add those up the 28000 is nothing.

tomtomgt356 wrote: In reply to Feedyurhed: Mazda claims that "On any given weekend there are more Mazdas on the road-race tracks of America than any other brand of vehicle." They say nothing about wining.

They must all be being beat by Porsches.

Includes winning HPDE sessions. (By driving flat out)

motomoron wrote: Includes winning HPDE sessions. (By driving flat out)

In the fastest run group.

Forza Motorsports wins count as "motorsports" right?

GameboyRMH wrote:

motomoron wrote: Includes winning HPDE sessions. (By driving flat out)

In the fastest run group.

"Immediately"

nderwater wrote: Forza Motorsports wins count as "motorsports" right?

If that were the case, I alone would have elevated AlfaRomeo to top winning status.

Club racing?

I would think BMW would have a better claim than Porsche on all-time motorsport wins. Autocross, SpecE30 of course, Lemons/Chump, IMSA, SCCA club racing, and all the old euro series, etc. Hell, just the guys I rallycross with have roughly 20 wins this season between us in different clubs and classes :) There are at least three spec BMW rally series in Europe, for that matter. Lots of BMWCCA events (probably far more common than PCA events).

That said, I would still think GM or Ford would win the crown there. A century of NASCAR and related series would account for thousands of wins by themselves, to say nothing of the probably hundreds of thousands of 'Murican muscle cars that have won drag events.

codrus wrote:

pinchvalve wrote: I wonder how Ford or Chevrolet stack up? Nascar, sprint cars, drag races, mud bogs and monster trucks help them, but they are not as international in scope. (well, Ford is. Hmmmm)

IMHO it's not a "Ford" unless it's a Ford-derived chassis. A sprint car with a tube-frame chassis and a Ford engine doesn't count as a "Ford". 300+ victories a year doesn't sound out of line at all if you're including all of the one-make Porsche series.

So, do you take away the win by the Porsche Indy Car team, since it was a Lola chassis? How about the wins by the Porsche/Cooper? The Porsche Daytona Prototype? Works both ways.

I know of 270 or so a year that they win

I love that there's a 4-day-old thread derived from a canoe that is full of actual discussion.