Hyper Miling. 118 mpg!!!

1988RedT2 wrote: If a majority of people used just a few basic hyper-miling techniques in their daily driving, I suspect it would have a significant impact on fuel consumption, and pay a dividend in increased safety as well.

During periods of light traffic yes. During periods of heavy traffic even more time and fuel would be saved if people would learn how to adapt their driving habbits to such situations by increasing their speed/acceleration at appropriate times and decreasing the size of gaps between cars whenever possible. Thus doing their part to reduce congestion behind them. In this regard most motorists are actually less intelligent than the particles of air flowing around them.

Interesting how this thread changed...

But considering the feeling to people who you think are holding you up, when you are late...

Question- why is it someone else's fault when YOU are late?

So many threads on these board condemn people for making bad decisions, and that they should make sure they hold themselves accountable. For all of those threads, why do you not want to take responsibility when you are late? It's not someone who is trying to save money's fault that YOU made a bad decision and are running late- that's all, 100%, completely, on you.

Funny how things are always someone else's fault. Theirs, yours, society's...

I've never seen a hyper miler cause more than a few second back up. If you think that your slowing to 55 for a even 5 min on a commute actually costs you time- you should do the math. In 5 min, 55mph goes 4.6 miles, but at 80 it's 6.6 miles. And that 2 miles you lost takes less than 2 min to make up. You'll lose that time if you miss one light by chance.

If you are so concerned about getting somewhere on time, leave earlier. Don't burden everyone else.

Alfa: Say once a week a slow driver/inattentive driver goes very slow through the left turn signal. As a result only 8 cars get through the light as opposed to the usual 12. I am one of those cars and I have to wait the extra 4 minutes for the light to cycle again.

Over the course of a year, thats 3.5 hours.

If you count the other 3 drivers that got stuck at the light, its 14 hours of wasted time.

I'm not in a huge hurry, but I dislike wasting time for no reason at all, especially when something as simple as someone else just accelerating more or paying attention can prevent it.

In reply to ProDarwin:

Well, if it happened EVERY DAY, then you would change your habits, would you not? If don't like to wait, yet you do nothing to prevent that, does that not make you the fool?

And why are people in such a hurry to get to work? I don't get that. This group should WANT to spend more time in your car- it's a CAR board.

It's not always the hypermiler that causes light problems- there are SO VERY few of them, the odds of them causing so many problems is miniscule. Odds are that it's someone who may be hesitant to turn, or just slow, or whatever.

Again, it's not their fault you are late. Take some responsibility in your choices- that's repeated over and over again here for everyone else.

Yeah, not many hypermilers snoozing at the light. It's some dumbass looking at his smartphone.

The extent of hypermiling I do is drive easier including maintaining a constant speed, shifting at 3k rpm, and reducing sudden braking. I have been getting around 35 mpg doing all that. I'm happy /end thread.

alfadriver wrote: Again, it's not their fault you are late. Take some responsibility in your choices- that's repeated over and over again here for everyone else.

Psssssst.. . . Alphadriver The truth hurts. I tried to explain this way back earlier in this thread but it did not work. For the record I am with you 100% on this. By changing MY attitude towards driving and to some degree my attitude towards life the stress associated with driving is all but out of my life. Instead of getting upset at the slow person or not making a light I just use it as an excuse to "smell the roses". Look around at things. Practus my air drums (I am a dam good air drummer. I am a legend in my own mind LOL). Hell I have found several new local places to eat and coffee houses just because I got my head out of the self induced red mist while driving and relaxed and looked around.

@ prodarwin: I was like you for many many years. But with age came a new and improved Dean. A happier less stressed Dean. A Dean that picks his battles and does not stress the little things. I find it funny that you are even worrying about the time "wasted" by others and not just your self. I chuckled at that.

In reply to dean1484:

I would normally agree with this but I drive to work, ALWAYS 20 minutes early, no worries there.

But then I go into work, pass 8:00 am meds, get four individuals out of bed, fed, cleaned up and ready for their day program if no one pulled out his g-tube, developed a fever, or some other medical condition i need to address and 4 of 5 days of the week I have to take one person to a medical appointment, many times 35-60 minutes away. Due to work constraints, I literally cannot leave early enough to make up for dumbasses or else I am neglecting one of my patients.

So like I said earlier, do the right thing and keep it moving, do what you are expected to do and make traveling g with deadlines more tolerable for those of us who drive for a living.

OK-so apparently normal commuters wanting to get somewhere just suffer from poor time management and should get over it, but what about law enforcement? What about emergency services? Etc.... Roads are for moving people and stuff. It is not unreasonable to want people to do so in a fashion that does not impede traffic flow.

In reply to MrJoshua:

Well, even speeders are supposed to get out of the way of emergency services. So what about it? They still get the right of way.

BTW, for most states, impeding the flow is more like 45 in a 65 zone. I'm not sure why it's so evil that someone wants to drive at the speed limit or just short of it. Stuff is still moving. Seems like that is a common preception- even when you are doing 5 under the limit, people think that it's not moving.

I still think that most of the hate against hypermilers is misplaced, since there are not many of them. I can remember 1, who drove at 55 regardless, and had a sign in his window saying why. The ones who are following trucks are not impeding flow anymore than the truck is.

Speaking of trucks- there are so, so, so many more 18 wheelers than hypermilers, ones that creep away from stop lights, go 5-10 under the limit, etc- do you hate them as well?

ebonyandivory wrote: So like I said earlier, do the right thing and keep it moving, do what you are expected to do and make traveling g with deadlines more tolerable for those of us who drive for a living.

Why do you assume other people are not driving for a living? Like I just posted, trucks impede traffic far more than hypermilers, and they are certainly doing it for a living.

alfadriver wrote:

ebonyandivory wrote: So like I said earlier, do the right thing and keep it moving, do what you are expected to do and make traveling g with deadlines more tolerable for those of us who drive for a living.

Why do you assume other people are not driving for a living? Like I just posted, trucks impede traffic far more than hypermilers, and they are certainly doing it for a living.

One, I wrote my text before your last post and Two, I only saw you referring to people driving to work, not getting to work then having to go back out there and battle with morons with seemingly no timelines.

Otherwise I'm not sure what you're asking.

Bottom line is my post at the top of the page...

In reply to alfadriver:

Dude, get over the late part. There are actually those of us that are on the road most of the day, every day. I average 1000-1500 miles a week, most of that in city traffic. Inattentive drivers and people that drive like idiots probably cost me on average 20-30 minutes a day, time I could be spending with my family, or doing something a lot more fun than sitting through another cycle at a red light. The thought that people actually drive like a$$ holes, to save a couple of cents in fuel, just blows my mind. Talk about inconsiderate, talk about narcissism.

I'm done here. Anyone that wants to spend their time to save a couple of dollars a month in gas, will never understand those of us that will burn a hundred gallons of gas to save a couple of hours a month. Compared to my time, fuel is cheap.

ebonyandivory wrote:

alfadriver wrote:

ebonyandivory wrote: So like I said earlier, do the right thing and keep it moving, do what you are expected to do and make traveling g with deadlines more tolerable for those of us who drive for a living.

Why do you assume other people are not driving for a living? Like I just posted, trucks impede traffic far more than hypermilers, and they are certainly doing it for a living.

One, I wrote my text before your last post and Two, I only saw you referring to people driving to work, not getting to work then having to go back out there and battle with morons with seemingly no timelines

So, how do you deal with trucks? Since there are many, many, many more of them compared to hypermilers. And at their best, they do exactly the same thing.

That's a lot of hate for not many people who are doing the same thing as trucks.

In reply to AlfaDriver:

Why do you assume the people wanting traffic to flow more efficiently are necessarily late? I would guess that late has nothing to do with this for most of us. I leave plenty early to get to work on time barring unexpected lane closures, but that doesn't change the fact that a 45 minute commute vs a 30 minute commute unnecessarily wastes a full 30 minutes of my time every day (3 full work-weeks worth per year) that could be better spent doing something actually productive. This is entirely about a people who choose to not take responsibility for how their selfish actions affect, and waste the time of, the majority of other people around them.

Yes a car forum is about people who want to be able to enjoy driving their car as much as possible...While it may be time spent in the car, the time in question is primarily time spent not driving in any enjoyable manner, or frequently not even driving at all for that matter.

It's not that hypermilers are the majority of the problem, because they're not. The similarly self-righteous drivers who simply don't care about the flow of traffic and how it affects everybody else around them, are a much larger problem. However a significant portion hypermilers are those most actively and intentionally contributing to the traffic congestion problem, faced by most larger cities, rather than to the solution.

...And yes I have more than a few words for the self-absorbed douche bags that drive equally over aggressive in traffic, contributing in their own special way towards the congestion problems.

As a driving enthusiast, automated self-driving cars, with some type of intelligent traffic flow programming, for the masses of commuters cannot come soon enough!

alfadriver wrote: In reply to ProDarwin: Well, if it happened EVERY DAY, then you would change your habits, would you not? If don't like to wait, yet you do nothing to prevent that, does that not make you the fool? And why are people in such a hurry to get to work? I don't get that. This group should WANT to spend more time in your car- it's a CAR board. It's not always the hypermiler that causes light problems- there are SO VERY few of them, the odds of them causing so many problems is miniscule. Odds are that it's someone who may be hesitant to turn, or just slow, or whatever. Again, it's not their fault you are late. Take some responsibility in your choices- that's repeated over and over again here for everyone else.

It's not that I'm late, I just like driving fast. No big deal...if the berkeleyers don't get out of my way I'll generally find a safe way around them, but they are annoying TO ME.

alfadriver wrote: In reply to ProDarwin: Well, if it happened EVERY DAY, then you would change your habits, would you not? If don't like to wait, yet you do nothing to prevent that, does that not make you the fool? And why are people in such a hurry to get to work? I don't get that. This group should WANT to spend more time in your car- it's a CAR board. It's not always the hypermiler that causes light problems- there are SO VERY few of them, the odds of them causing so many problems is miniscule. Odds are that it's someone who may be hesitant to turn, or just slow, or whatever. Again, it's not their fault you are late. Take some responsibility in your choices- that's repeated over and over again here for everyone else.

Agreed on taking responsibility for being late. Disagree - to an extent - on the fact that I should "WANT" to spend more time driving to work. If that was the case, I'd move farther away. I have an utterly berkeleying mind-numbing drive. 40 hwy miles up. 40 hwy miles back. 5-6 days a week for TEN YEEEEARS.

That said, I do enjoy treating it like a giant berkeleying autocross, and seeing how quickly I can get around the "course" without hitting any "cones" (cops.) I don't drive recklessly, but I do go 10 over, and work to keep up momentum when approaching signals.

"Winning" is about the only thing that makes the drive enjoyable. YMMV. I can't do the "65 parked in the turtle lane" thing.

EDIT: Short version: "What Cotton said."