In reply to Snowdoggie :
Because Florida is berkeleying insane (I should know, I'm from there) and also it's one of the only places where any kind of event is legal right now.
In reply to Snowdoggie :
Because Florida is berkeleying insane (I should know, I'm from there) and also it's one of the only places where any kind of event is legal right now.
Javelin (Forum Supporter) said:I've watched "Cleetus" (Garrett) on YouTube since the beginning when he was just an employee at 1320 Video. He is often a "safety 3rd" person, if at all. Back when he first built "Leroy" the c5 Vette cart he got failed at tech at so many places including LS Fest before he got help and got up top snuff (ish). Even recently he's had expired belts in a 7-second/180+ MPH car and crashed a car at his own track with no helmet. His safety program for his burnout competitions pale in comparison to the Australians, and watching literally any of them let you know that it was only a matter of time before someone got seriously injured. There's no tech, safety consists of "wearing a helmet" (often open faced), and the "safety" crew members are dudes in t-shirts. Australian events have fully suited firefighters.
All that said... The car builder/driver really should have had a firewall on his "death cart" (there is a reason they are called that) and wore his own PPE/racing suit. I am gutted for him and his family and I hope he recovers quickly. I can't even imagine what they are going through.
Hopefully everyone takes away from this that safety is important, and you can always choose to be safer than the standard.
So these 'death carts' are a thing now?
https://www.thedrive.com/news/20451/man-who-built-death-kart-exocar-killed-after-head-on-accident
The car was a fairly clean fox body mustang + meth from looking at the builders instagram page. I am done with watching any of his stuff after his comments in the last video he posted, it's not an appropriate topic to discuss here but I closed the video and unfollowed him and all of his associates after the first few minutes of it.
Javelin (Forum Supporter) said:and crashed a car at his own track with no helmet. There's no tech, safety consists of "wearing a helmet" (often open faced), and the "safety" crew members are dudes in t-shirts.
His thumbnail to the crash is literally him wearing a helmet. Also, first dude out to help the guy was a guy in a firesuit. Sure there are people in tshirts for the crew. There's obviously suited people as well.
OHSCrifle said:I wish I hadn't watched. That was awful.
^^^^^ This exactly. Totally brutal.
In reply to lnlogauge :
He nearly crashed a Lamborghini (the same one that got crashed at the dragstrip later) without a helmet though.
Wonder what makes a radiator explode like that?
In reply to ShinnyGroove (Forum Supporter) :
I'd bet the hose blew off
Will Rogers said wisdom comes from experience, that mostly comes from bad judgment... I hope this guy lives to learn from bad judgment.
Yes, that's hard to see.
Obviously that's why you need a firewall. I also didn't see any fans on the radiator.
I didn't watch either videos, but I did find his go fund me. He sounds like he's doing ok, wishing for a speedy recovery.
https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-parkers-burn-medical-bills?utm_source=customer&utm_campaign=p_cp+share-sheet&utm_medium=copy_link_all
Snowdoggie said:Javelin (Forum Supporter) said:I've watched "Cleetus" (Garrett) on YouTube since the beginning when he was just an employee at 1320 Video. He is often a "safety 3rd" person, if at all. Back when he first built "Leroy" the c5 Vette cart he got failed at tech at so many places including LS Fest before he got help and got up top snuff (ish). Even recently he's had expired belts in a 7-second/180+ MPH car and crashed a car at his own track with no helmet. His safety program for his burnout competitions pale in comparison to the Australians, and watching literally any of them let you know that it was only a matter of time before someone got seriously injured. There's no tech, safety consists of "wearing a helmet" (often open faced), and the "safety" crew members are dudes in t-shirts. Australian events have fully suited firefighters.
All that said... The car builder/driver really should have had a firewall on his "death cart" (there is a reason they are called that) and wore his own PPE/racing suit. I am gutted for him and his family and I hope he recovers quickly. I can't even imagine what they are going through.
Hopefully everyone takes away from this that safety is important, and you can always choose to be safer than the standard.
So these 'death carts' are a thing now?
https://www.thedrive.com/news/20451/man-who-built-death-kart-exocar-killed-after-head-on-accident
Yeah, there was a green one that started the trend, despite being kind of pointless people think they're fast and cool...a while back there was a thread here where we talked about the orange one in your link and looked at some of the welds before the crash, the build quality was just horrific.
Tk8398 said:The car was a fairly clean fox body mustang + meth from looking at the builders instagram page. I am done with watching any of his stuff after his comments in the last video he posted, it's not an appropriate topic to discuss here but I closed the video and unfollowed him and all of his associates after the first few minutes of it.
Got a link to the insta? I want to wander through
In reply to Mr_Asa :
@parkerwhitlock I think.
In reply to Tk8398 :
Thanks
Not sure who I want to narrate that.
Tosh.O or Ron White?
Ron White.
Stampie (FS) said:I don't see that the radiator behind him was the problem. In front or behind the problem was lack of a decent firewall between the driver and hot things.
And there are a bunch of people building cars for SCCA RallyCross who are running fuel lines, coolant hoses, etc through the cabin without a firewall, and when called out on this for tech, they just say "Eh, it's no big deal." I'm not watching the video, it's a big deal.
(And yes, it will fail tech. The rules say a firewall must be present.)
The problem is a large number of cars have fuel components in the cabin. We'd have to ban every Miata from competition unless they built a firewall between the cabin and trunk.
At this point, what we all can do is
1) hope that he comes out ok
and
2) do everything we are supposed to do so that it never happens.
All of us who race have safety rules- this is a very horrific example of why the bulkhead rule is so, so, so very important. This and the threat of fire is why we need to seal heat sources from any person.
We also have brake rules, bearing rules, harness rules. helmet rules, battery rules. Lets all remember how important they all are and that we check both our own vehicles and all other drivers in our events. We do this for fun, and should keep the risk element to as small as we possibly can. The risk of just having an accident is bad enough- lets keep the things like this to close to zero risk.
BTW, I'm not an expert on fire suits- but if you soak the suit with super hot water, how much protection will they offer? I can easily see that any steam or hot gasses will be directed away- as they would be much like fire protection. But I'm curious how much hot liquid protection they offer. (I honestly don't know that, BTW).
alfadriver (Forum Supporter) said:BTW, I'm not an expert on fire suits- but if you soak the suit with super hot water, how much protection will they offer? I can easily see that any steam or hot gasses will be directed away- as they would be much like fire protection. But I'm curious how much hot liquid protection they offer. (I honestly don't know that, BTW).
At a guess, in that situation none. Worse it would probably hold the hot liquid on your skin until you got out of the suit and might make the burns worse.
alfadriver (Forum Supporter) said:At this point, what we all can do is
1) hope that he comes out ok
and
2) do everything we are supposed to do so that it never happens.
All of us who race have safety rules- this is a very horrific example of why the bulkhead rule is so, so, so very important. This and the threat of fire is why we need to seal heat sources from any person.
We also have brake rules, bearing rules, harness rules. helmet rules, battery rules. Lets all remember how important they all are and that we check both our own vehicles and all other drivers in our events. We do this for fun, and should keep the risk element to as small as we possibly can. The risk of just having an accident is bad enough- lets keep the things like this to close to zero risk.
We don't agree on everything, but we agree on this. I am not going to watch the video. I don't like watching videos of people being hurt. I can't even stand fighting or boxing.
I don't ever wish pain on someone else. I've seen enough of this guys previous stuff to not be surprised, and I can only hope it's an example to others to do simple things to make life a bit safer.
Like everyone else, I hope he recovers as much as he can recover. I also hope he, and everyone that saw that horrid video learns from the mistakes he made in putting that together.
Lastly, I don't know the details, but the details as I understand them lead me to hope this completely deflates and puts an end to the irresponsible attitude Cletus puts out on his channel. When the lawyers are done with him he should be driving a Camry with factory seatbelts.
I never liked his style, the 'this may be dumb, but it sure is fun! Don't need no safety, that aint fun!". I suspect this will cost him millions if he's the organizer and/or track owner.
Pete. (l33t FS) said:And there are a bunch of people building cars for SCCA RallyCross who are running fuel lines, coolant hoses, etc through the cabin without a firewall, and when called out on this for tech, they just say "Eh, it's no big deal."
To this day, the most unsafe thing I have ever seen at an event I was participating in was a rallyx with a Miata* with a fuel cell with a short 'vent tube' that would overflow on any corner and just sling fuel around all over the place. "Eh, it's no big deal." was precisely the reaction the organizers had. (Not SCCA)
I would assume SCCA would fail running that stuff through the cabin w/o firewall, but I haven't read the rules on the mod/prepared classes. Scary.
Pete. (l33t FS) said:...
The problem is a large number of cars have fuel components in the cabin. We'd have to ban every Miata from competition unless they built a firewall between the cabin and trunk.
Every Miata I've seen has a factory bulkhead completely separating the driver from the fuel tank area, it's no different than any other passenger car I've seen where the fuel tank was under the rear/behind the rear seats. Are your cars showing up without the fuel pump plate installed?
In reply to WonkoTheSane (FS) (That's short for Forum Supporter so it saves space) :
The fuel filler neck has no liquid proof bulkhead separating it from the trunk.
Not singling the Miata out, a LOT of Japanese cars are built this way. But it is the most common example. Older Civics/CRXs. My RX-7s.
Subarus do run fuel lines through, but there is no rubber in the cabin.
Just like FAA regs, most race organizations rules are written in blood.
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