phaze1todd wrote: You'll change your mind when you look at the sticker and see that the dealer has added an additional $5,000 to the msrp
You'll change your mind when you look at them in a year and see that the deal is no longer adding an additional $5,000 to the MSRP.
Joe Gearin wrote:DirtyBird222 wrote:I think at MSRP the FR-S is a very good deal. Not so much with dealer markups, but not all dealers are charging markups, so shop around, or wait until the hoopla dies down a bit. By the way....although the Mustang is a very different car, we had a GT in the office recently equipped exactly how I'd order one--- no wing, no stripes, no nav, no leather-- It had LSD, the Recaros and the Brembos. List price------- $39Kphaze1todd wrote: You'll change your mind when you look at the sticker and see that the dealer has added an additional $5,000 to the msrpIdk, I don't get the hype, I test drove one and it felt like a very mundane car. Doesn't feel any quicker than my civic Si and feels just like a rwd version of one at that. Couple that with the price and markup you can get a base Mustang GT or V6 premium with the suspension goodies for the same price.
That's funny I went to a Ford dealership right down the street from you. With all incentives, rebates, haggling, and $5k negative equity on a trade in for a GT with track package the final price was $33k. Take away my trade in and I would have most likely walked out the door a few weeks ago with a new 5.0. I'm glad I didn't because I got life changing news and will need that extra cash I'm saving.
So I went to check out an FR-S and I literally felt like I was just in a RWD Civic Si. Now that's not a bad thing, just nothing to cause me to get a pants tent like most people are getting over this car. I suppose in 10 years they'll be great deals.
Joe Gearin wrote: By the way....although the Mustang is a very different car, we had a GT in the office recently equipped exactly how I'd order one--- no wing, no stripes, no nav, no leather-- It had LSD, the Recaros and the Brembos. List price------- $39K
I totally agree. I keep seeing Mustang prices thrown up here, and they are nothing like I experienced talking to dealers earlier this year when I was car shopping. For example, the cheapest GT I found was in the mid '30's, some easily topping $40k (and not Shelbys either) and most of the 6 cyl cars were in the high '20's. And dealers were not interested in ordering either. They had multiples on the lot and wanted to move those, and not get stuck with a less optioned car if you ordered and didn't take delivery. They can pretty much sell what they have and don't need to deal on these.
To me, that makes the FR-S a steal. I shopped numerous cars, and it really is cheap for what you get. By comparison, if you bought a Miata with anything at all on it as an option, it was more expensive than this. There were a few in the $24k range, but most were $28k to $30k plus. And the $24k range cars were stripped, very stripped. No sport options at all. Once again, no real deals on these. They were selling almost as fast as they came in.
Unless you by a real economy car like a Mazda 2, you're gonna be mid '20's for anything interesting. Even the Escort I looked at was $31k.
I was pretty happy with the FR-S after a test drive. Not enough to trade in my car, but if I was in the market for a new car right now it would be right at the top of my list. I thought it was nice driving a car with a newer sporty chassis that wasn't as heavy as a freaking tank. I wan't too impressed with the power or engine sound, but I think I would quickly forget about that.
Yeah, that looks better.
no, that looks moronic
GameboyRMH wrote:The0retical wrote: those supercharged TCs were ok but the you really had to mash on them to get the supercharger going.That's a problem with superchargers in general. Superchargers are now obsolete IMO, they had a use in an age when the turbo lag could be even worse than a supercharger's total rev-dependence.
You haven't driven a properly setup supercharged car then; maybe a low boost setup? I'm at 250 to the wheels in my miata with a blower. It's just amazing and completely different than when I first had it at 6psi. Turbos are awesome of course, but the blower is instant. I'd do it again in a heartbeat- possibly with a bigger blower though. 
-Hamid
Sam Strano seems to like his FR-S:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12394
AverageH wrote:GameboyRMH wrote:You haven't driven a properly setup supercharged car then; maybe a low boost setup? I'm at 250 to the wheels in my miata with a blower. It's just amazing and completely different than when I first had it at 6psi. Turbos are awesome of course, but the blower is instant. I'd do it again in a heartbeat- possibly with a bigger blower though.The0retical wrote: those supercharged TCs were ok but the you really had to mash on them to get the supercharger going.That's a problem with superchargers in general. Superchargers are now obsolete IMO, they had a use in an age when the turbo lag could be even worse than a supercharger's total rev-dependence.
I'm assuming an Ubercharger or a Lysholm unit?
Joe Gearin wrote: By the way....although the Mustang is a very different car, we had a GT in the office recently equipped exactly how I'd order one--- no wing, no stripes, no nav, no leather-- It had LSD, the Recaros and the Brembos. List price------- $39K
You must have had a premium (leather seats/Shaker system?) the base GT with the Xplan price is down around $28k........you get a clutch LSD standard(it's the Torsen from the BOSS 302 that's extra).
For a base GT, 6 spd manual, Track pack (the brembo package + the BOSS oil cooler/radiator and the 3.73:1 Torsen from the BOSS) the dealer has quoted me $30,500............add the Recaro's and it goes to $31,800 (MSRP is $35,500).
So an FR-S at $25k vs a bast GT Mustang at $28k is a more fair comparison (price wise) and why so many people complain.
All you have to do to get an Xplan PIN is join the Mustang Club of AMerica, but you'll likely get an even better deal from the dealer anyway.
I'm not arguing for or against the FR-S, just putting out a more realistic price comparison since you can't even get the FR-S with leather, that takes the nearly $30k BRZ with the Limited package.
Nope, no leather, no nav....it may have had the big stereo....I forgot.
I was just shocked at the MSRP. You may be able to get them for less, but MSRP is the measuring stick for comparison purposes.
They drive so differently that comparing them doesn't make a lot of sense. I really like the V8 Mustang, but the massive size turns me off. You have to respect it, but after driving it for a bit I didn't want it. I want an FR-S. It's hard to explain, and I can't blame anyone for preferring the Ford. The FR-S just pushes the right buttons for me.
Not sure what the issue is, because you can go to Ford.com right now and build a base GT with the track pack and Recaro's and the MSRP is $35,185 (that inclues the $795 destination charge).
Just familiar since I've been pricing them so much lately and ordering one next month.
Either way they are both cool cars, I've just never owned a V8 and I've wanted mustang for years.
I certainly can't blame you for wanting the V8 Mustang. That engine makes one of the best sounds found ANYWHERE in the automotive world. (yes, Ferrari, Porsche and Lambo included)
The Ford engineers did a fantastic job with the exhaust tuning. It sounds completely badass!
Based on the look on the driver's face, you can't compare a Mustang to an FR-S. This guy was not a "Mustang Guy". No matter what the bang-for-the-buck ratio is for the Mustang (and it is AWESOME) some people are just not Mustang people. This guy was as happy as any human has ever been. A Mustang might have been faster around that bend, but it would not have made him as happy. To each his (or her) own, but I see the appeal of the car.
That said, I was behind a Mustang GT500 (500hp version) yesterday on the bike, and good lord could I listen to that beast all day. Black with black wheels. I would sell one of my souls...
Matt B wrote: Apparent rules of all FRS/BRZ threads: 2. Comparisons must be made with much bigger/heavier sports cars near the same price point, of course including said dealer gouging.
I saw Civic and Mustang. Where were the sports cars mentioned?
Zomby Woof wrote:Matt B wrote: Apparent rules of all FRS/BRZ threads: 2. Comparisons must be made with much bigger/heavier sports cars near the same price point, of course including said dealer gouging.I saw Civic and Mustang. Where were the sports cars mentioned?
I chortled!!!
I really like the looks of the Mustang and you can't beat the power and sound of the motor but the weight kills it for me. 3600 lbs is a bunch. The FRS is attractive to me because it is relatively light weight.
I have found the answer
http://slo.craigslist.org/cto/3187721576.html
^That's pretty much exactly what I'm going to order in the next 3-4 weeks.
I haven't compared tire weights, but I know there are plenty of affordable options to stay with 19s and knock off 8-9lbs a corner..........32-36lbs of rotating weight is nice.......but I'm sure you'd lose some of that with wider tires.
In reply to Zomby Woof: Touche mon amie
92CelicaHalfTrac wrote:AverageH wrote:I'm assuming an Ubercharger or a Lysholm unit?GameboyRMH wrote:You haven't driven a properly setup supercharged car then; maybe a low boost setup? I'm at 250 to the wheels in my miata with a blower. It's just amazing and completely different than when I first had it at 6psi. Turbos are awesome of course, but the blower is instant. I'd do it again in a heartbeat- possibly with a bigger blower though.The0retical wrote: those supercharged TCs were ok but the you really had to mash on them to get the supercharger going.That's a problem with superchargers in general. Superchargers are now obsolete IMO, they had a use in an age when the turbo lag could be even worse than a supercharger's total rev-dependence.
No actually! It's an M62, running about 14psi. The torque is quite good at 220 as well. There is still some headroom too if I want to add boost. I also still have yet to improve the intake, and the exhaust manifold is still stock as well. I may do a light rebuild at some point for some stronger rods and such, and then shoot for 300 to the wheels. In the meantime it's been awesome, reliable, and returning 30mpg if I don't boost too much. Not bad for 110,000 miles on the clock!
-Hamid
AverageH wrote:92CelicaHalfTrac wrote:No actually! It's an M62, running about 14psi. The torque is quite good at 220 as well. There is still some headroom too if I want to add boost. I also still have yet to improve the intake, and the exhaust manifold is still stock as well. I may do a light rebuild at some point for some stronger rods and such, and then shoot for 300 to the wheels. In the meantime it's been awesome, reliable, and returning 30mpg if I don't boost too much. Not bad for 110,000 miles on the clock! -HamidAverageH wrote:I'm assuming an Ubercharger or a Lysholm unit?GameboyRMH wrote:You haven't driven a properly setup supercharged car then; maybe a low boost setup? I'm at 250 to the wheels in my miata with a blower. It's just amazing and completely different than when I first had it at 6psi. Turbos are awesome of course, but the blower is instant. I'd do it again in a heartbeat- possibly with a bigger blower though.The0retical wrote: those supercharged TCs were ok but the you really had to mash on them to get the supercharger going.That's a problem with superchargers in general. Superchargers are now obsolete IMO, they had a use in an age when the turbo lag could be even worse than a supercharger's total rev-dependence.
The car isn't "Big Gulp," is it?
DirtyBird222 wrote: So I went to check out an FR-S and I literally felt like I was just in a RWD Civic Si.
That's twice you've said that. I suspect you may not have driven it hard enough to experience the relative neutrality of the chassis.
I saw one yesterday morning in person for the first time. Regardless of how it drives, in person, it's a really great looking car.
I'm still pumped to test drive one at some point.
jstein77 wrote:DirtyBird222 wrote: So I went to check out an FR-S and I literally felt like I was just in a RWD Civic Si.That's twice you've said that. I suspect you may not have driven it hard enough to experience the relative neutrality of the chassis.
Dirty bird:
Just got off the phone with the Honda dealership. They assure me that there is no such thing as a RWD Civic Si. Since you have diven one, I assume they are wrong.
Did you build your own? The Si would be a great car if only they got rid of the FWD. For the life of me, I can't figure why Honda does not do so!?
NOHOME wrote:jstein77 wrote:Dirty bird: Just got off the phone with the Honda dealership. They assure me that there is no such thing as a RWD Civic Si. Since you have diven one, I assume they are wrong.DirtyBird222 wrote: So I went to check out an FR-S and I literally felt like I was just in a RWD Civic Si.That's twice you've said that. I suspect you may not have driven it hard enough to experience the relative neutrality of the chassis.
Yes.... we got it. You bought one. It's the best thing ever built. Anyone that says anything different than that is an idiot/needs to be corrected. We got it. WE got it a long time ago.
But not everyone has your same taste.
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