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eastsidemav
eastsidemav Reader
10/28/09 4:17 p.m.

Only the one, but I could say the same about that Fiat

Coincidentally, another way to break the data down would be 2003-older, and 2004-newer, seeing as there was a major change in the budget rules for 04.

93celicaGT2
93celicaGT2 SuperDork
10/28/09 4:20 p.m.
Raze wrote:
93celicaGT2 wrote: I would love to find a cheap old V6 Camry to molest for the Challenge.
You sir are sick.

Slammed, boosted and/or sprayed, sticky tires, gutted to hell and back. Admit it, you can see the appeal here.

poopshovel
poopshovel SuperDork
10/28/09 4:31 p.m.
boosted and/or sprayed

What is this "or" thing you speak of?

John Brown
John Brown GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
10/28/09 4:33 p.m.

"Or" is a conjunctive used by Bob Costas.

Real men wear "and" as a badge of honor.

93celicaGT2
93celicaGT2 SuperDork
10/28/09 4:41 p.m.

Well, of course, those WITHOUT balls would choose "or."

The motor is plenty strong enough to make a couple boost AND nitrous runs for the sake of the greater good.

THE GREATER GOOD.

fiat22turbo
fiat22turbo GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
10/28/09 5:12 p.m.
93celicaGT2 wrote: Well, of course, those WITHOUT balls would choose "or." The motor is plenty strong enough to make a couple boost AND nitrous runs for the sake of the greater good. THE GREATER GOOD.

Stop that!

dean1484
dean1484 GRM+ Memberand Dork
10/28/09 5:37 p.m.

You should asterisks the categories that have had challenge winners. High volume does not really mean anything in term of a cars potential to win. However if a car type has low volume of entries but has won that is useful info.

EDIT: The number of asterisks could represent the number of wins if there are multiple in a particular car make.

eastsidemav
eastsidemav Reader
10/28/09 5:59 p.m.
dean1484 wrote: You should asterisks the categories that have had challenge winners. High volume does not really mean anything in term of a cars potential to win. However if a car type has low volume of entries but has won that is useful info. EDIT: The number of asterisks could represent the number of wins if there are multiple in a particular car make.

Not a bad idea. And easy to do. For the data I have, its now done.

eastsidemav
eastsidemav Reader
10/28/09 6:13 p.m.

Wheels777 just sent me spreadsheets with results info for years that were missing. I'll update the spreadsheet and try to update the results in the first post tonight.

eastsidemav
eastsidemav Reader
10/28/09 7:21 p.m.

Updated with the data from Wheels. Thanks!

Some of the older data was less detailed than what was in the spotter's guides, ditto for the 08/09 results. In some cases, I guessed the generation, in others, I added another row for unknown.

I wouldn't mind doing a detailed database as time permits, if I can get some more detailed info on the years I just have result sheets. However, this is GRM's data, and I'd really like their permission before I put it into a searchable database.

Oh yeah, and if y'all don't mind another long post, I can post it alphabetically, too.

jwdmotorsports
jwdmotorsports HalfDork
10/28/09 8:59 p.m.

2002 Challenge Cars

1976 BMW 2002

1987 Dodge Omni

1987 Mazda RX7 TII

Nissan 343 Coop (300ZX)

MGB

1981 Nissan 280ZX

1988 Subaru XT6

1978 Alfa Romeo Spider

Merker XR4Ti

1988 Mazda 323 GTX

1986 Merker XR4Ti

1985 Toyota MR2

1991 Eagle Talon Tsi AWD

1976 BMW 2002

1962 MG Midget

1986 Ford Mustang

1988 VW Scirocco

1986 Merker XR4Ti

1989 Honda Civic Si JDM

1986 Saab 900 Turbo

1987 Acura Integra

1987VW GTI

1984 Mazda RX7

1987 Honda Civic Si

1991 Toyota MR2

1965 Chevy Corvair Monza

1991 Dodge Spirit R/T

1989 Suzuki Swift Gti

1977 VW Rabbit

1988 Yugo GVX

1985 Mazda RX7

1985 Nissan 300ZX Turbo

1985 Mazda RX7

1979 Ford Fiesta

1993 VW Jetta

1985 Merker XR4Ti

1986 Honda CRX

1986 Toyota MR2

1986 Ford Mustang GT

1986 Mitsubishi Starion

1980 Mazda RX7 GS

1986 Ford Mustang LX

1988 Ford Thunderbird

1988 Dodge Daytona C/S

1989 Ford Probe GT

1988 Ford Ranger

1982 Mustang GL

1987 Mazda RX7 TII

1998 Dodge Neon

1975 Chevy Monza Towne Coupe

1987 Honda Civic Si

1968 Triumph GT6

1972 Porsche 914

1964 Plymouth Valiant Signet 200

1986 Dodge Shelby Charger

1973 Chevy Camaro LT

1987 Mazda RX7

1990 VW Jetta GL

1989 Honda Civic Si

1983 Mazda RX7 GS

Raze
Raze Reader
10/29/09 7:14 a.m.
93celicaGT2 wrote:
Raze wrote:
93celicaGT2 wrote: I would love to find a cheap old V6 Camry to molest for the Challenge.
You sir are sick.
Slammed, boosted and/or sprayed, sticky tires, gutted to hell and back. Admit it, you can see the appeal here.

I think you exposed me to your sickness

spin_out
spin_out New Reader
10/29/09 7:21 a.m.

I like the Camary idea, but don't know why. This coming from a guy who keeps looking at mini vans as potential Challenge entrants.
You know if you lower that Caravan, strip it, add nitrous, and sticky tires.......

Thanks for the list.

alfadriver
alfadriver HalfDork
10/29/09 7:31 a.m.
eastsidemav wrote:
dean1484 wrote: You should asterisks the categories that have had challenge winners. High volume does not really mean anything in term of a cars potential to win. However if a car type has low volume of entries but has won that is useful info. EDIT: The number of asterisks could represent the number of wins if there are multiple in a particular car make.
Not a bad idea. And easy to do. For the data I have, its now done.

Another thought is to add a ^ and/or a # and a @ for catagory wins- autocross, drag, etc. Just a thought.

Great list, though. Reading through it, I wonder about a few other killer street prepared cars that have yet to try this event- mainly an X1/9. But if one can make a real smack down autocrosser, I think you can win with 13 sec 1/4 time.

Eric

93celicaGT2
93celicaGT2 SuperDork
10/29/09 9:04 a.m.
Raze wrote:
93celicaGT2 wrote:
Raze wrote:
93celicaGT2 wrote: I would love to find a cheap old V6 Camry to molest for the Challenge.
You sir are sick.
Slammed, boosted and/or sprayed, sticky tires, gutted to hell and back. Admit it, you can see the appeal here. <
I think you exposed me to your sickness

If you want to become totally diseased, the larger older 4-runner V6 bolts right in this sucker, and i imagine someone like a lot of people on this forum would also run with that idea and add a Truck transmission and make this thing RWD. All the parts available at your local u-pull-it for probably not that much money. I know i can get the motor for about $150.

Personally? I'd be happy with a FWD huge turblow 3vzfe sitting in this thing. The 3vzfe is an overbuilt monster.

I've been trying to resist building a Camry for years. I doubt i'll be able to resist much longer.

dean1484
dean1484 GRM+ Memberand Dork
10/29/09 9:10 a.m.

North of the Mason Dixon line camrys seem to just dissolve before you eyes due to rust. You are hard pressed to find an older one. I have driven several over the years. A very nicely appointed appliance was the feeling I got. I also kind of had that "i need to make a shower" feeling as well. It was kind of creepy.

93celicaGT2
93celicaGT2 SuperDork
10/29/09 9:34 a.m.
dean1484 wrote: North of the Mason Dixon line camrys seem to just dissolve before you eyes due to rust. You are hard pressed to find an older one. I have driven several over the years. A very nicely appointed appliance was the feeling I got. I also kind of had that "i need to make a shower" feeling as well. It was kind of creepy.

Oh yes... they ARE appliances, don't get me wrong. But they're pretty hilarious and handle surprisingly well with a nice suspension, and the V6 models aren't that underpowered.

It's more for the hilarity, though. I'd never try to make one nice, or make it a real project car. Just a hootin' hollerin' tire shredder.

itsarebuild
itsarebuild GRM+ Memberand New Reader
10/29/09 2:01 p.m.

sweet list! unless i missed something, it looks like we get to be the first fiat spider 124 to enter. whether that is by design or luck is yet to be seen.

eastsidemav
eastsidemav Reader
10/29/09 3:48 p.m.

AFAIK, the list is now accurate, as far as total entries are concerned. Obviously, some cars are counted multiple times. However, I do wonder sometimes. I thought I'd seen an X1/9 there before, but it could've been a spectators car. I also could swear I saw a 86-89 Integra at the 06 or 07 event, but its not in the list, so I must have been hallucinating.

As for Camrys in the rust belt - my next door neighbor just bought one that looks like the one in the picture, with the V6, for $1000. Only a little rust through starting on the rear wheel wells. There's still a few of them up here.

John Brown
John Brown GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
10/29/09 4:15 p.m.

Remember if the entrant is now buried under Margies patio the car will not likely be listed in the spotters guide.

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