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93celicaGT2
93celicaGT2 SuperDork
1/21/10 7:55 a.m.

I've been motivated by this:

http://jalopnik.com/5453057/bedlinered-audi-a4-hotness-or-heresy?skyline=true&s=i

I remember reading the original thread some time ago. (This is also the same guy that got "booted" by APS.)

At the time, i didn't have a car that i felt comfy with doing this to. I do now.

How much weight could i expect to add to a car if i were to attempt this? I wouldn't do the wheels or anything, just the body.

How much is this crap, anyways?

DILYSI Dave
DILYSI Dave SuperDork
1/21/10 8:00 a.m.

I'm guessing 20-30# for the whole car. I did the inside of my Jeep with 1 gallon. It was ~10#.

Giant Purple Snorklewacker
Giant Purple Snorklewacker SuperDork
1/21/10 8:07 a.m.

Put the can on a scale and figure a pound less for the can itself. It doesn't get any heavier when it dries.

93celicaGT2
93celicaGT2 SuperDork
1/21/10 8:10 a.m.
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: Put the can on a scale and figure a pound less for the can itself. It doesn't get any heavier when it dries.

Right... i guess i don't know how many cans i'm going to need, though.

Am i right in thinking that i wouldn't need to do any prep work besides wash the car and remove anything i don't want covered?

This sounds like an easy hilarious weekend project.

20-30lbs i can easily live with.

Jamesc2123
Jamesc2123 Reader
1/21/10 8:22 a.m.

A friend of mine did this with his Impreza, outside and in. He claimed it ended up closer to 50 pounds, which is getting up there. It was definitely hilarious, easy, and cheap. Almost impossible to screw up, too.

Gratuitous action shot!

Jamesc2123
Jamesc2123 Reader
1/21/10 8:26 a.m.

btw, hood is CF, so its shinier, but the rest is bedliner. Also, be prepared to wash often, dirt stuck to this like glue. It turned brown that day, and turns white when they salt the roads. Call it a feature.

93celicaGT2
93celicaGT2 SuperDork
1/21/10 8:29 a.m.

50lbs is fine... the car has a turbo truck motor in it, so torque isn't much of a problem, and it handles like crap to begin with, so whatever.

Washing often is fine... especially since i imagine i could just nail it with a pressure washer once this is done, instead of taking a sponge to the whole thing.

I'm excited about this. It'll look mean i think. A lot better than the Red and Pink that's on it right now. (Hell yeah 20 year old single stage Red)

This stuff isn't flammable or anything is it? I have a "boom hole" that has a penchant for shooting 4-6' flames at times.

stuart in mn
stuart in mn SuperDork
1/21/10 8:32 a.m.

It depends on how heavy they spray it on. The Rhino place that sprayed the bed of my truck had a counter sample they sprayed out on a piece of plastic about two feet square, and that thing probably weighed 20 pounds - it was the thickness they normally use in a truck bed, it would weigh less if it was thinner.

Dr. Hess
Dr. Hess SuperDork
1/21/10 8:38 a.m.

I've seen Harley dressers with that stuff instead of paint. Certainly don't have to worry about scratches or obsessive waxing.

Greg Voth
Greg Voth Reader
1/21/10 8:41 a.m.

There is a high probability it will look like crap. After about a year or so my buddies RX-7 he painted with bedliner was sunfading to greyish white and the nose was loosing the bedliner from highway travels. Its going to be a couple hundred dollars to do the whole car. I would give the rustoleum method a try.

93celicaGT2
93celicaGT2 SuperDork
1/21/10 8:42 a.m.
stuart in mn wrote: It depends on how heavy they spray it on. The Rhino place that sprayed the bed of my truck had a counter sample they sprayed out on a piece of plastic about two feet square, and that thing probably weighed 20 pounds - it was the thickness they normally use in a truck bed, it would weigh less if it was thinner.

Yeah, i doubt i'll be going that heavy on it. Just looking to cover up the red, and i don't have the patience or skill to do real body work, prep, and then paint. If i painted it, it would get scuffed, some bondo slapped on it, then rattlebombed, and it would look terrible. I think this is the best chance i have at making it look decent.

Jamesc2123
Jamesc2123 Reader
1/21/10 8:43 a.m.

um, i hope you are missing a second apostrophe when you said 4-6.....

Edit: who am I kidding, no I don't...

93celicaGT2
93celicaGT2 SuperDork
1/21/10 8:44 a.m.
Greg Voth wrote: There is a high probability it will look like crap. After about a year or so my buddies RX-7 he painted with bedliner was sunfading to greyish white and the nose was loosing the bedliner from highway travels. Its going to be a couple hundred dollars to do the whole car. I would give the rustoleum method a try.

That's disappointing.

I don't have the time or the available space to really do the rustoleum method and make it look any better than the destroyed factory junk that's on there. (At least there's no orange peel!)

93celicaGT2
93celicaGT2 SuperDork
1/21/10 8:44 a.m.
Jamesc2123 wrote: um, i hope you are missing a second apostrophe when you said 4-6..... Edit: who am I kidding, no I don't...

Well, then we're all good, because i'm NOT missing one.

Dr. Hess
Dr. Hess SuperDork
1/21/10 8:45 a.m.

And here's a Megasquirt tip for you: ALWAYS have the correct easytherm'ed .s19 and whatever other files needed to reflash the program on your tuning/monitoring PC. You never know when the thing is going to have a Microsoft Moment when you hit Burn. I'm driving my Truck because the Rolla did that yesterday in my driveway.

93celicaGT2
93celicaGT2 SuperDork
1/21/10 8:46 a.m.
Dr. Hess wrote: And here's a Megasquirt tip for you: ALWAYS have the correct easytherm'ed .s19 and whatever other files needed to reflash the program on your tuning/monitoring PC. You never know when the thing is going to have a Microsoft Moment when you hit Burn. I'm driving my Truck because the Rolla did that yesterday in my driveway.

Ouch... filed away for future use, thank you sir!

erohslc
erohslc Reader
1/21/10 8:50 a.m.

I wonder what effect the rough surface has on aero? Golf balls have dimples in order to promote a thicker boundary layer, which (for a variety of reasons) yields less overall drag. Might be interesting to get coastdown data before/after.

Anyway, I'd just do it.

Jamesc2123
Jamesc2123 Reader
1/21/10 8:52 a.m.
93celicaGT2 wrote:
Jamesc2123 wrote: um, i hope you are missing a second apostrophe when you said 4-6..... Edit: who am I kidding, no I don't...
Well, then we're all good, because i'm NOT missing one.

Did you perhaps attach this to your car?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-spt7y1v6Y

93celicaGT2
93celicaGT2 SuperDork
1/21/10 8:56 a.m.
Jamesc2123 wrote:
93celicaGT2 wrote:
Jamesc2123 wrote: um, i hope you are missing a second apostrophe when you said 4-6..... Edit: who am I kidding, no I don't...
Well, then we're all good, because i'm NOT missing one.
Did you perhaps attach this to your car? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-spt7y1v6Y

Blocked at work, but i'm going to go ahead and say no. It's a product of the way the car is set up rather than any gimmicks.

There's some info in my reader's ride submission on it.

Jamesc2123
Jamesc2123 Reader
1/21/10 9:01 a.m.

Haha, its a homemade jet engine from an old turbo, don't worry about it.

93celicaGT2
93celicaGT2 SuperDork
1/21/10 9:05 a.m.

Well, "old" and "turbo" are two good ways to describe the car....

carguy123
carguy123 SuperDork
1/21/10 9:11 a.m.

Let's assume you DIDN'T want to paint your whole car with bedliner (how crazy would that be - leaving the gel coat on fiberglass rather than painting it with bedliner?), is bedliner sufficient protection for painting the underside of fiberglass in a wheel well to prevent starring, bumps and breakthroughs. I'm assuming wheel wells like on a kit car.

93celicaGT2
93celicaGT2 SuperDork
1/21/10 9:14 a.m.
carguy123 wrote: Let's assume you DIDN'T want to paint your whole car with bedliner (how crazy would that be - leaving the gel coat on fiberglass rather than painting it with bedliner?), is bedliner sufficient protection for painting the underside of fiberglass in a wheel well to prevent starring, bumps and breakthroughs. I'm assuming wheel wells like on a kit car.

I would think so, yes...

If you read this:

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=4064843&page=1

He said that he went to town on the car with a screwdriver, hammer, whatever, and no damage.

Dr. Hess
Dr. Hess SuperDork
1/21/10 9:18 a.m.

"Painting" the underside of fiberglass fenders with bedliner is what some people have been doing in 7 circles. I was planning on doing that when I get to that point.

pres589
pres589 Reader
1/21/10 9:31 a.m.

There's some information here that I think is interesting;

http://4wheeldrive.about.com/od/bedliners/gr/herculiner.htm

High points to me where as follows; they have multiple colors, like white, which I would use since white fades out to... white. Armor All restores luster, and I'm sure I can wipe down a car with Armor All faster than I can wax one.

What I'd want to know is, can bed liner be thinned? If so, a car could in theory get a protective coat of the stuff and it wouldn't need to be so thick and heavy. Also, when something cures it often gains oxygen, which would account for some weight gain. That's probably why the Subaru gained 50 pounds even though the can doesn't weight that much. But a thinned coat wouldn't need as much O2 to cure (in theory) and there should be a greater reduction in weight from this.

There are a number of other forums that show people doing this to their cars, bed liner probably won't become as popular as other DIY home "paint" systems like Rustoleum and related solutions, but I think there's enough data out there from people doing this that a guy could get the texturing they're looking for with bed liner. The Subaru shown in this thread looks pretty good and uniform, so whatever that guy did, you could copy that.

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