Signed the paperwork on a new maverick with turbo/awd.
I plan on running this thing into the dirt to get every penny of value out.
In that vein, I'm thinking I need to change oil,transmission, transfer case, and both different as soon as i take delivery or before.
Reason I'm thinking that is to get all the break in contamination and oil out to go with fresh. Truck has 75 miles on it, and if it was an engine or trans I rebuilt this would be the time.
Am I overthinking this?
The de facto answer is usually "do whatever the people paying for warranty repairs tell you". But, there's nothing wrong with getting to know a new vehicle either.
Dusterbd13 said:Signed the paperwork on a new maverick with turbo/awd.
I plan on running this thing into the dirt to get every penny of value out.
In that vein, I'm thinking I need to change oil,transmission, transfer case, and both different as soon as i take delivery or before.
Reason I'm thinking that is to get all the break in contamination and oil out to go with fresh. Truck has 75 miles on it, and if it was an engine or trans I rebuilt this would be the time.
Am I overthinking this?
definitely over thinking. At least run it a couple thousand miles before doing any of those things. Break in will happen over the next 5-20k miles and not 75. Personally, I'd change engine oil at 2500, 5k and then whatever the manufacturer's interval suggests. I wouldn't change the trans/transfer/diffs until 20k. Give them the most time to wear in and get as much of the break in done before changing fluid.
Don't forget to check the vehicle build date and compare that to the mold date on the tires. Don't run summer air in your winter tires. Ask me how I know.
I'm berkeleying with you. I would not do any of those things on a vehicle with 75 miles. I'd follow the recommended schedule in the owners manual on everything but engine oil and ATF. In our Escape (1.5L 4cyl turbo) I change oil at 5k interval, and I do an ATF spill and fill (about 4 qts) every other oil change. It's a 2018 with 81k and so far so good. Bought it CPO with 27k.
In reply to AngryCorvair (Forum Supporter) :
Why so frequently on the ATF? Is that trans known to be super fragile? Every 10k seems like a lot.
In reply to Dusterbd13 :
I just bought a brand-new Lexus GX550. The service manual says that the first oil change and service interval is at 5k miles. I called two Lexus dealerships and verified this with service departments from both. Seems crazy, but I suspect they know better than I do. I bet your Mav doesn't need a fluid change at 75 miles on it, either.
Congrats on the new Maverick, too!
All you had to do was ask the resident oil guy!
In reply to bobzilla :
Whats the resident oil guys take?
bobzilla said:Dusterbd13 said:Signed the paperwork on a new maverick with turbo/awd.
I plan on running this thing into the dirt to get every penny of value out.
In that vein, I'm thinking I need to change oil,transmission, transfer case, and both different as soon as i take delivery or before.
Reason I'm thinking that is to get all the break in contamination and oil out to go with fresh. Truck has 75 miles on it, and if it was an engine or trans I rebuilt this would be the time.
Am I overthinking this?
definitely over thinking. At least run it a couple thousand miles before doing any of those things. Break in will happen over the next 5-20k miles and not 75. Personally, I'd change engine oil at 2500, 5k and then whatever the manufacturer's interval suggests. I wouldn't change the trans/transfer/diffs until 20k. Give them the most time to wear in and get as much of the break in done before changing fluid.
In reply to Dusterbd13 :
Congratulations! Bask in that new car glow!
OHSCrifle said:In reply to AngryCorvair (Forum Supporter) :
Why so frequently on the ATF? Is that trans known to be super fragile? Every 10k seems like a lot.
"Spill and fill", ie pulling the drain plug, only gets about 1/3 the total volume of fluid. And as my buddy Kurt says, "you can't hurt a transmission by giving it fresh fluid." Even at dealer price for Motorcraft fluid ($9/qt last time), it's very cheap insurance. Maybe overkill, but it's my daughter's car so overkill is just regular kill.
bobzilla said:bobzilla said:Dusterbd13 said:Signed the paperwork on a new maverick with turbo/awd.
I plan on running this thing into the dirt to get every penny of value out.
In that vein, I'm thinking I need to change oil,transmission, transfer case, and both different as soon as i take delivery or before.
Reason I'm thinking that is to get all the break in contamination and oil out to go with fresh. Truck has 75 miles on it, and if it was an engine or trans I rebuilt this would be the time.
Am I overthinking this?
definitely over thinking. At least run it a couple thousand miles before doing any of those things. Break in will happen over the next 5-20k miles and not 75. Personally, I'd change engine oil at 2500, 5k and then whatever the manufacturer's interval suggests. I wouldn't change the trans/transfer/diffs until 20k. Give them the most time to wear in and get as much of the break in done before changing fluid.
Let me put on my Captain Obvious hat and say that Bob is the resident oil guy. 😎
You do want to get the break in oil out...but the break in needs to happen first. That's at least 1000 miles if not 2500 like others said. After that normal changes at 5-7k miles depending on how hard you're running it. Use decent oil, a modern engine you care about shouldn't get anything less than full synthetic. Probably take a minute to investigate what oils are Ford approved in case of any warranty issues (Castrol edge is iirc). Motorcraft filters are cheap but seem to work well. I wouldn't be as concerned with the drivetrain oils but I'm not an auto trans expert.
bobzilla said:bobzilla said:Dusterbd13 said:Signed the paperwork on a new maverick with turbo/awd.
I plan on running this thing into the dirt to get every penny of value out.
In that vein, I'm thinking I need to change oil,transmission, transfer case, and both different as soon as i take delivery or before.
Reason I'm thinking that is to get all the break in contamination and oil out to go with fresh. Truck has 75 miles on it, and if it was an engine or trans I rebuilt this would be the time.
Am I overthinking this?
definitely over thinking. At least run it a couple thousand miles before doing any of those things. Break in will happen over the next 5-20k miles and not 75. Personally, I'd change engine oil at 2500, 5k and then whatever the manufacturer's interval suggests. I wouldn't change the trans/transfer/diffs until 20k. Give them the most time to wear in and get as much of the break in done before changing fluid.
I read that, but didn't realize it was you. I need more coffee.
Jeez. The engine and trans and all were built in a super clean environment with the most modern machining techniques. It's not a Russian T38 tank that needs all the metal from the rough edges on the gears flushed out.
You will introduce more contaminants with your dirty garage air than you will remove by draining.
In reply to AngryCorvair (Forum Supporter) :
since I offer UOA and have been trained in the ways of lube.... yes.
I keep slacking on getting the trans/diff fluid changed in my BRZ. I've got the Redline fluid sitting in the garage, just haven't made an appointment (I don't mess with that stuff anymore) to get it done. It's at almost 2.5 years and 4200 miles.
With the free oil changes based on mileage or time, it's already had 3 oil changes. Once I get the trans/diff changed, at the current rate I drive, neither will need to be changed until I qualify for AARP.
Thanks everyone for confirming that the little voice in the back of my head saying that I'm a berkeleying idiot was, in fact, correct.
Yall saved me a bunch of money.
Ill do forst oil change at 2k.
Dusterbd13 said:...
In that vein, I'm thinking I need to change oil,transmission, transfer case, and both different as soon as i take delivery or before.
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I read that and thought you were gonna yank the drivetrain and LS swap it. Happy to be wrong. Congrats on the truck!
On the oil changes, you will need to have the dealership do it, or document it really well with receipts/info. It's not legally required, thanks to the Magnuson-Moss Act but it saves a lot of hassle if something happens. Hopefully it's included in the purchase.
OHSCrifle said:In reply to AngryCorvair (Forum Supporter) :
Why so frequently on the ATF? Is that trans known to be super fragile? Every 10k seems like a lot.
According to wikipedia which is never wrong, its the 8F35, which is the same trans as the Transit Connect 8 speeds. Its not fragile per say, but its far from a beacon of reliability.
Modern engines really don't have a "break in" period like old timey engines do. The bores are honed to a really good finish and the bore and ring materials are such that there isn't much initial wear. Roller OHC cams. Etc.
You'll do better to just follow a much shorter service interval than the manufacturer specs. Those specs are minimums needed to satisfy the warranty. You plan on keeping it past warranty period, you can do better.
I would not be against doing frequent trans drain and fill, although it's fiddly enough and expensive enough that you may amend your personal service schedule to be more lax. (The fill is either awkward to get to or a complete pain to get to, and the check port is a plug that you access with the drivers front wheel off and an Allen socket on a swivel and a long extension)
The fluid goes black very quickly, due I think to carbon clutches. Think Diesel motor oil going black quickly, for the same reasons. It looks "burned" but the coloring doesn't seem to hurt them. That said, no mechanical device is ever unhappy with keeping its lubricants happy.
In reply to Streetwiseguy :
This may be the best answer here.
Cars are built today in cleaner facilities with smaller tolerances than ever before using better chemicals than ever before. If you want to overachieve, I think 2500 miles is the bare minimum before you change them. When do we get to SEE it?
There isn't break in oil in anything anymore. Back when I started working in 1992, engineers had figured out what "break in" actually meant, and added a manufacturing process to break everything in. Customers are far too random to attempt to rely on them to break in a vehicle in a specific way, and both reliability as well as reduced oil consumption became a super big deal.
So the oil in the vehicle now does not need to be changed until the recommended interval.
If you want to do it, that's fine. It's kind of a waste, but if you want to do it, go for it. But I would always replaced it with whatever the engineers tell you to replace if with, even if the engine has 0w-20 in it.
In reply to alfadriver :
Oh yeah, anything with variable cam timing can get angry with you if you use the wrong viscosity. I think this currently means everything on the market that isn't a Honda V6.
Some manufacturers even have testing algorthms good enough that they will set a code for having the wrong viscosity oil. Others just set cam timing error codes.
Loweguy5 said:In reply to Streetwiseguy :
This may be the best answer here.
Cars are built today in cleaner facilities with smaller tolerances than ever before using better chemicals than ever before. If you want to overachieve, I think 2500 miles is the bare minimum before you change them. When do we get to SEE it?
So, I can't take delivery until the backup camera recalls are done. On a stop sale.
So here's a horrible picture.
24 xlt in azure grey with 4k tow as the only option.
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