92CelicaHalfTrac wrote: So.... no $8500 01-02 Cobras?
Here's a $8999 99 Cobra Vert just for you Mr. Jerk. 
92CelicaHalfTrac wrote: So.... no $8500 01-02 Cobras?
Here's a $8999 99 Cobra Vert just for you Mr. Jerk.
On my 97 I have to admit that there isnt much of anything to write home about under 3500rpm. It is a REALLY fun motor up around 6500 though. They need RPM.
The power deficiency was fixed on the 2001's. The 99's were only off a few horses. Exhaust and filter will make a larger difference then the problems. IIRC the "Fix" involved some tuning and maybe extrude honing the intake IIRC.
If your looking for something that lights the tires up off idle, thats not the NA 4v. You wind the motor up and get planted in the seat that way.
Ranger50 wrote: In reply to tuna55: So it really made less????Those motors never made the TORQUE which soured the 4v's in the community. The 2v was worse. The old 5.0 had 300 ft/lbs with a short 3" stroke crank way down low. That was/is/still is the gold standard.
Yup - what was the number? 320? The one I saw was at like 30x. The guy said that it was pretty much confined to the intake manifold - bad castings had left flashing that was pretty bad in the parting lines on the interior of the plenum or something like that. Yup - verifiable from this guy, I at least saw one engine NOT making 320, and a dozen or so on dynos - not sure of the exact timeframe.
Hey, is a 2001 Cobra slower than a 2011 v6 Mustang? Heh.
In reply to 92CelicaHalfTrac:
Not really. All the changes Ford made for the 01's they tried to make to the 99's through recalls, etc. You're missing the point, which is the 99/01-02 Cobra's are in a tough spot in the market. The 03-04 Mach 1 and 05-09 GT are pushing down the prices (as they are both better cars) and those NA/IRS Cobra's have had a bad rap from the beginning. During the winter months up north they are cheap, and every year the prices fall off more. It doesn't help that the 96-98 Cobra is pretty good as well, which helps drag them down as well.
You're treating an economics question like an ethics question. Try the Off Topic section for those, I hear there's a dead cat quadracopter thread there. 
If your looking at a 99 and wondering if it got the "fix" here are some details.
Corral.net said: If the computer was reflashed you'll have a sticker on the right top corner of the hood, and if the intake was modified you'll have a paint mark on the middle of the alternator not on the manifold! Also if you purchase the car you can call SVT with the Vin# and they'll tell you if the recalls were performed! The pre-fix 99's had a terribly casted intake manifold with tons of casting flaws and alot of flash everywhere. The first idea ford had, was to extrude hone the runners. Well, that was an expensive fix, so they didnt do a whole lot of them that way. It was around 100 of them. I ported about 10 of these. Plus it only addressed the runners themselves, and not all the other casting diasters that the intakes had throughout. Then they decided to repair the mold and cast a whole new series of intakes from scratch. They acid dipped the molds so that the final casted product had a much smoother surface finish everywhere, and smooth, larger cross sectioned runners. This same intake was used on 01 cobras and Mach 1's. They flow great but still had problems which I fixed on all the intakes I did for people. They're the "choice" intakes to start out with. The pre-fix intake had a black dot near the drivers side alternator mounting point...on a boss on the intake itself. The extrude honed ones had a blue dot. The acid dipped mold intakes had a green dot. Mine had a green and a black dot.
Apexcarver wrote: If your looking at a 99 and wondering if it got the "fix" here are some details.Corral.net said: If the computer was reflashed you'll have a sticker on the right top corner of the hood, and if the intake was modified you'll have a paint mark on the middle of the alternator not on the manifold! Also if you purchase the car you can call SVT with the Vin# and they'll tell you if the recalls were performed! The pre-fix 99's had a terribly casted intake manifold with tons of casting flaws and alot of flash everywhere. The first idea ford had, was to extrude hone the runners. Well, that was an expensive fix, so they didnt do a whole lot of them that way. It was around 100 of them. I ported about 10 of these. Plus it only addressed the runners themselves, and not all the other casting diasters that the intakes had throughout. Then they decided to repair the mold and cast a whole new series of intakes from scratch. They acid dipped the molds so that the final casted product had a much smoother surface finish everywhere, and smooth, larger cross sectioned runners. This same intake was used on 01 cobras and Mach 1's. They flow great but still had problems which I fixed on all the intakes I did for people. They're the "choice" intakes to start out with. The pre-fix intake had a black dot near the drivers side alternator mounting point...on a boss on the intake itself. The extrude honed ones had a blue dot. The acid dipped mold intakes had a green dot. Mine had a green and a black dot.
Hey! That sounds like what i said!
In reply to 92CelicaHalfTrac:
Try less snark in your replies and you'll get less attitude in reply.
As was posted above though, it's pretty much an intake manifold (and honestly, none of Ford's 4.6L manifolds are very good, period) and a different ECM tune, both of which are available to 99's through recalls (so if they haven't been done on one you bought today, you can still have it done free). I'd still pass on all of them and go straight for the Mach 1, even for more $$$.
92CelicaHalfTrac wrote:
Read your second reply, and my reply to it.
Have a nice day! 
Javelin wrote:92CelicaHalfTrac wrote:Read your second reply, and my reply to it.
dude - enough
tuna55 wrote: dude - enough
You forgot a smiley Mr. Meaniehead. 
I wasn't looking at Cobras two years ago when I was car shopping but I was comparing 99+ GTs with 98+ F-bodies. The camaro and firebird gave better performance dollar for dollar at the time, and with newer camaros on sale the prices on 4th generation cars have fallen even more. I got my 98+ LS1/T56 for $7k over two years ago and it had less than 80k on it.
I have considered getting an FRC Corvette, which in theory SHOULD exist around here for around 11-12k, if not less... but I haven't been able to find any on Craigslist.
Now, I'd be fine with the targa model too, but its extremely hard to sift through search results when most of the Corvettes are not owned by enthusiasts (hence being automatics). I do not recall finding ONE manual Corvette locally in the area on sale. Someone please tell me I'm not looking in the right places. I'd love a C5 Vette!
@Javelin, Thanks for the price checks. Unfortunately, something about SoCal really messes with car pricing. I wasn't able to replicate those results on Searchtempest around my area.
I have considered S197's > SN95's but I'm starting to think the S197's look REALLY dated. The SN95's have aged much better. Perhaps a GTO/Corvette is the answer. I guess you can't go wrong with LS-powered anything.
You're probably not looking in the right places for a C5 .
Same up here, a lot of the 'vettes are slushboxed but the good part about it is that the manual ones don't seem to be carrying much of a premium, if any.
tuna55 wrote: Hey! That sounds like what i said!
You posted while I was searching out info, stuff I found had details about telling if it was done so I went ahead and posted it.
It's not that hard to find a manual Corvette. Just keep an eye out and check autotrader and stuff. You might have to travel a bit for a good price, but it's worth it. Have you driven one? The Cobra is no comparison. It's also easier to find a Corvette that was someone's "baby."
Apexcarver wrote:tuna55 wrote: Hey! That sounds like what i said!You posted while I was searching out info, stuff I found had details about telling if it was done so I went ahead and posted it.
Oh yeah - no worries, it's nice to have confirmation
In reply to vincephan:
Fly-and-drive is always an option. There's C5's up here, too.
Nitroracer wrote: I wasn't looking at Cobras two years ago when I was car shopping but I was comparing 99+ GTs with 98+ F-bodies. The camaro and firebird gave better performance dollar for dollar at the time, and with newer camaros on sale the prices on 4th generation cars have fallen even more. I got my 98+ LS1/T56 for $7k over two years ago and it had less than 80k on it.
Just my opinion, but...the LS1 is a better engine than the mod motor, and the F-body handles pretty well, but the SN95 Mustang is a better vehicle (as in something to live with and spend time in) in every other respect than a 4th-gen Camaro.
Mustang wins: ease of maintenance, interior, brakes, comfort, and styling.
Camaro wins: engine, transmission (except for 03/04 Cobra), and suspension.
Again, that's just my opinion. I bought a 99 Z28 because I wanted a racecar. But if I wanted a daily driver, I would have bought a Mustang.
Will wrote:Nitroracer wrote: I wasn't looking at Cobras two years ago when I was car shopping but I was comparing 99+ GTs with 98+ F-bodies. The camaro and firebird gave better performance dollar for dollar at the time, and with newer camaros on sale the prices on 4th generation cars have fallen even more. I got my 98+ LS1/T56 for $7k over two years ago and it had less than 80k on it.Just my opinion, but...the LS1 is a better engine than the mod motor, and the F-body handles pretty well, but the SN95 Mustang is a better vehicle (as in something to live with and spend time in) in every other respect than a 4th-gen Camaro. Mustang wins: ease of maintenance, interior, brakes, comfort, and styling. Camaro wins: engine, transmission (except for 03/04 Cobra), and suspension. Again, that's just my opinion. I bought a 99 Z28 because I wanted a racecar. But if I wanted a daily driver, I would have bought a Mustang.
I agree with everything there. I just would add, every F-body I have had to get into and out of is a futile experience, much like a turtle on its back. I fall in to the seat and have to have a rope or ladder to get out of it. There isn't a place to place your hands to brace yourself to get out over the 6 foot wide rocker....
I'm a big fan of the 99/01 cobras myself but like everyone has pointed out they have there flaws and are overshadowed by the terminator and mach but imo the 99/01 does look better lol
I feel like you guys are making a huge deal about the IRS not being that great from the factory for 500-1000$ maximum motorsports can take the stock irs and make it out handle any solid rear axle stang thats why they switched from there torque arm set up to the irs setup on there race cars
http://www.maximummotorsports.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=514_88_191
And yes 11k is way to high 8-10k is the average they go for here in VA
Caleb wrote: I feel like you guys are making a huge deal about the IRS not being that great from the factory for 500-1000$ maximum motorsports can take the stock irs and make it out handle any solid rear axle stang thats why they switched from there torque arm set up to the irs setup on there race cars
Aren't all the fast SN95 guys in ESP autocrossing using the Steeda 5-link instead of the IRS?
I've seen a couple 04 mach1's for sale but none under 15k.
Caleb wrote: I'm a big fan of the 99/01 cobras myself but like everyone has pointed out they have there flaws and are overshadowed by the terminator and mach but imo the 99/01 does look better lol I feel like you guys are making a huge deal about the IRS not being that great from the factory for 500-1000$ maximum motorsports can take the stock irs and make it out handle any solid rear axle stang thats why they switched from there torque arm set up to the irs setup on there race cars http://www.maximummotorsports.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=514_88_191 And yes 11k is way to high 8-10k is the average they go for here in VA
Yeah, but by the time you've spent $500-1000 on everything that needs to be made better on a Mustang, you could have bought a Corvette, which is still a lot better than your finished product.
Except, unfortunately, you can't buy rear seats for a Vette...
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