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92CelicaHalfTrac
92CelicaHalfTrac MegaDork
11/27/12 11:49 a.m.

ITT: "Oh you're going to tow something once or twice a year? Buy this ginormous diesel truck for $30-$50k."

Javelin
Javelin GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
11/27/12 11:49 a.m.
Tyler H wrote: The V10 definitely tows better than the 5.4L V8. Worlds better.

A 351 tows better than the 5.4 man...

92CelicaHalfTrac
92CelicaHalfTrac MegaDork
11/27/12 11:51 a.m.
Javelin wrote:
Tyler H wrote: The V10 definitely tows better than the 5.4L V8. Worlds better.
A 351 tows better than the 5.4 man...

A Cummins dually tows better than the 351.

Javelin
Javelin GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
11/27/12 11:51 a.m.
Osterkraut wrote:
Javelin wrote: The V10 has all of the torque of a modern V6 and all of the gas mileage of, well, a V10. Plus the exhaust manifold and plug-spitting issues = you do NOT want!
Other than the Eco-boost, what production V6 comes close to the V10's torque? In my constant E-250/350 research, I'm finding a lot of happy V10 customers, in fact this is the most negative I've heard about them.

Aren't you in the military? Go to the motor pool and ask the guys that actually do work (hint - they have stripes on their sleeves) about the V10. Dollars to donuts they'll throw a wrench at you...

yamaha
yamaha Dork
11/27/12 12:03 p.m.
92CelicaHalfTrac wrote: ITT: "Oh you're going to tow something once or twice a year? Buy this ginormous diesel truck for $30-$50k."

See, you're on my same thought process here.....I figure if it lasts a year, two or three and doesn't die or need ALL THE MONEY dumped into it, it'd be worth the pennies on the dollar for now. And it'll be capable of far more than I actually will need.

Why look at paying 13k for the diesel vareity when I'm looking at this for $1500? GRM truck buying yo

92CelicaHalfTrac
92CelicaHalfTrac MegaDork
11/27/12 12:16 p.m.

It's worth half that in scrap, so who cares? So it gets bad gas mileage. Who cares? IT'S A HUGE berkeleyING TRUCK. But a diesel gets better gas mileage! So.... spend 5x as much to "save money?" Riiiiiiiiiight.

Yeah, there's better options out there, but not for that money. Personally, i wouldn't have even started the thread, there's really no risk with this truck, and you had to have known that the answer on this board would have been "ZOMG HUEG DIESEL OR GO HOME."

Javelin
Javelin GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
11/27/12 12:44 p.m.

In reply to yamaha:

E36 M3 man, any truck that runs is worth $1500 bones! I still wouldn't tow with it (there has to be a tree-fiddy Chebby for sale somewhere).

92CelicaHalfTrac
92CelicaHalfTrac MegaDork
11/27/12 12:50 p.m.

..... you seriously wouldn't tow a couple times a year with a V10 Ford if there were a seriously E36 M3ty 350 Chevy available?

Javelin
Javelin GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
11/27/12 12:52 p.m.

In reply to 92CelicaHalfTrac:

Having towed literally hundreds of times with one, yes, yes I would. I would walk right past that POS to the first anything else available. 300 I-6 Ford, 302 Ford, 351 Ford, 350 Chevy, 4.8/5.3 LS Chevy, 360 Dodge, 360/401 Jeep, heck even a Tundra!

92CelicaHalfTrac
92CelicaHalfTrac MegaDork
11/27/12 1:02 p.m.

I just can't fathom it lol. I understand that they're the absolute worst truck ever made in the history of man and all that... But you would willingly choose a beat to berkeley standard cab rusty E36 M3box Silverado 1500 over an extended cab dually much newer V10 Ford to tow if you were to step outside right now and have to tow something.

I just can't understand it. There's nothing radically different about the truck vs. it's diesel counterpart other than the motor. It'll tow largely the same once up to speed. (And get worse gas mileage) But the stability is there, everything else is still there.

Maybe i'm missing something big and the motor is such a steaming pile that it completely outweighs all the other things about the truck that make it good for towing. Or maybe as usual i just have no idea what i'm talking about at all.

I gotta give it to you for sticking to your guns, at least.

Javelin
Javelin GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
11/27/12 1:03 p.m.

In reply to 92CelicaHalfTrac:

I didn't say I would buy the Chebby man! But yes, if I was ordered to go tow a boat again and there was damn near anything else with a hitch in the parking lot (que Chief's 70's Ford...) then I'm taking that over the V10.

92CelicaHalfTrac
92CelicaHalfTrac MegaDork
11/27/12 1:05 p.m.
Javelin wrote: In reply to 92CelicaHalfTrac: I didn't say I would buy the Chebby man! But yes, if I was ordered to go tow a boat again and there was damn near anything else with a hitch in the parking lot (que Chief's 70's Ford...) then I'm taking that over the V10.

We're talking about a truck, though... not a motor. Maybe this is where i'm getting confused.

Bobzilla
Bobzilla UltraDork
11/27/12 1:10 p.m.
Javelin wrote: ... heck even a Tundra!

Now I know you're exagerating. No one is that dumb.... Next you'll say the ridgeline is better!

*dons flamesuit and carefully backs away....

Javelin
Javelin GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
11/27/12 1:13 p.m.

In reply to 92CelicaHalfTrac:

OP says he's going to tow everything and it's dog around a farm. If you're towing that much (ie - at all), you don't want the V10.

If he's seriously only going to pull a light load 2-3 times a year and only has $1500, the V10 might not kill him on repair costs. If it sees a trailer more than that, he really will be better off with damn near anything else, even at $1500.

Javelin
Javelin GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
11/27/12 1:14 p.m.

In reply to Bobzilla:

Sometimes you need to exaggerate to get your point across!

nocones
nocones GRM+ Memberand Dork
11/27/12 1:23 p.m.

That's so Strange because the ones that my previous employer used had 120K and 70K on them when I left and in the 5 years I worked there they where over at motorpool getting repaired and unavailable to tow exactly 0 times (other than for standard book service). These trucks nearly spent their whole exsitance hooked up to a fleet of 8 40' 3 axle goosnecks. They where worked fairly good.

We also had a 1990 Extended Cab 2WD 460 powered truck and it was Crap compared to the V10's. And you had to ride in a 1990's truck cab with 1990's truck suspension.

Tom_Spangler
Tom_Spangler GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
11/27/12 1:41 p.m.
nocones wrote: We also had a 1990 Extended Cab 2WD 460 powered truck and it was Crap compared to the V10's. And you had to ride in a 1990's truck cab with 1990's truck suspension.

Werd. I had an 89 F-250 460 for a while, and it got 11mpg tops going 65 on the freeway unloaded. I never did much towing with it, but I can't imagine it was a whole lot better with a load behind it. In comparison, my FIL has an 09-ish F-350 with the V10 that he's used to tow his 12k pound fifth wheel all over the eastern half of the country with no issues. It gets ~10 mpg towing the fifth wheel, 14-15 unloaded.

I would have no problem buying a truck with the V10 in it. Yes, they have issues like the other mod motors, but, having put a bunch of miles on several different 5.4s and dealing with plugs on both 2V and 3V versions of that engine, I think the internet tends to exaggerate those issues just a wee bit.

yamaha
yamaha Dork
11/27/12 2:39 p.m.
Javelin wrote: In reply to 92CelicaHalfTrac: OP says he's going to tow everything and it's dog around a farm. If you're towing that much (ie - at all), you don't want the V10. If he's seriously only going to pull a light load 2-3 times a year and only has $1500, the V10 *might* not kill him on repair costs. If it sees a trailer more than that, he really will be better off with damn near anything else, even at $1500.

Those are just things it could be used for on the farm.......the '99 f250 psd bears the brunt of all that though, this would just be made available for whatever. Plus theres the '87 f150 thats only used as our mobile tool hauler and diesel station.....

Bobzilla
Bobzilla UltraDork
11/27/12 2:40 p.m.

for $1500, buy it, trash it and throw it away.

Cotton
Cotton Dork
11/27/12 2:52 p.m.
Bobzilla wrote: for $1500, buy it, trash it and throw it away.

this.... how can you go wrong? I mean damn I'll buy it for that.

Tyler H
Tyler H GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
11/27/12 4:22 p.m.

Something else to consider:

I know several people whose newish trucks were 'rage' purchase after adventures dragging their busted E36 M3 home from the racetrack at night...in the dark...in the rain....2am Monday morning, when you have to be at work at 8.

Your tow vehicle should be your guaranteed ride home after you blow your E36 M3 up at the track.

yamaha
yamaha Dork
11/27/12 5:29 p.m.

Good point......the bmw will make power or spill its guts on the ground.

Sonic
Sonic SuperDork
11/27/12 5:37 p.m.

Reading through this, if you take out Jav's posts and the direct responses to them, the response is quite positive. If it currently runs and drives ok, is not on fire, and the vin matches the title, you can't go wrong for $1500

Javelin
Javelin GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
11/27/12 5:45 p.m.

In reply to Sonic:

Even I said to buy the damn thing at $1500!

EvanB
EvanB GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
11/27/12 5:48 p.m.
Javelin wrote: In reply to Sonic: Even *I* said to buy the damn thing at $1500!

Right before you said he should buy anything else...

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