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digdug18
digdug18 Reader
3/29/10 5:45 p.m.

Venom Gt

Found this article interesting.

Andrew

Tommy Suddard
Tommy Suddard GRM+ Memberand SonDork
3/29/10 6:09 p.m.

Trade for an E30?

JtspellS
JtspellS New Reader
3/29/10 6:14 p.m.

Speed 3 and $13 mabye?...

96DXCivic
96DXCivic Dork
3/29/10 6:34 p.m.

I think need to change my pants.

GlennS
GlennS Dork
3/29/10 6:39 p.m.

darth vador would rock it

unevolved
unevolved Reader
3/29/10 6:47 p.m.

It really is our generation's Cobra. Small car with too-big motor, and poses a very tangible threat to the driver's life if not properly respected.

wearymicrobe
wearymicrobe Reader
3/29/10 7:03 p.m.

Its not our generations car as it will never actually be delivered to a customer in any sort of functional order. They cannot even take a running driving viper and return it the same way, let alone build a car from scratch.

DirtyBird222
DirtyBird222 Dork
3/29/10 7:15 p.m.

Very cool but correct me if I am wrong. A man holding in his hand a third of that pricetag, who knows how to turn a wrench, could build that himself, correct? Still cool.

patgizz
patgizz GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
3/29/10 7:19 p.m.
DirtyBird222 wrote: Very cool but correct me if I am wrong. A man holding in his hand a third of that pricetag, who knows how to turn a wrench, could build that himself, correct? Still cool.

well, you could go to the dealer and buy a lotus and go to a gm dealer and buy the crate LS9 so... 2+2=awesome.

JFX001
JFX001 Dork
3/29/10 7:31 p.m.
wearymicrobe wrote: Its not our generations car as it will never actually be delivered to a customer in any sort of functional order. They cannot even take a running driving viper and return it the same way, let alone build a car from scratch.

I'm inclined to agree with this statement.

ignorant
ignorant SuperDork
3/29/10 7:56 p.m.

Hennessey?

digdug18
digdug18 Reader
3/29/10 7:59 p.m.

Yeah, I was thinking the name sounded more like a kind of alcohol then anything. I'm thinking the car would suck at auto-X though....

Andrew

Raze
Raze HalfDork
3/29/10 8:03 p.m.

can I has?

WilberM3
WilberM3 New Reader
3/29/10 8:05 p.m.
DirtyBird222 wrote: Very cool but correct me if I am wrong. A man holding in his hand a third of that pricetag, who knows how to turn a wrench, could build that himself, correct? Still cool.

looks like the whole rear end is extended at least 8"+ as i bet the engine is longitudinal so itd be much longer than the transversely mounted 4 banger.

Osterkraut
Osterkraut Dork
3/29/10 8:20 p.m.

The body work makes my pants tight...

However, I'd rather have mine with a stratospheric revving N/A LS-derived engine. Aluminum, I don't know what capacity combo would be the highest revving. 5.3? 5.7? The LS7 can easily spin to 8,000, I bet if you snuck the LS3 variable valve timing on there you could build a screamer that sounded so good Jesus Christ himself would descend from the heavens to co-drive. Because at those useless power levels it's about looking and sounding good.

Dr. Hess
Dr. Hess SuperDork
3/29/10 8:35 p.m.

Yeah, but would it beat a factory built 350 HP Exige SC GT cup car on a race track? I bet it wouldn't. And that one had a stock crate Toyota motor that they just bolted the blower on and "tuned."

unevolved
unevolved Reader
3/29/10 8:39 p.m.
DirtyBird222 wrote: Very cool but correct me if I am wrong. A man holding in his hand a third of that pricetag, who knows how to turn a wrench, could build that himself, correct? Still cool.

I kind of doubt that, with the extended wheelbase.

And come on guys, Hennessey bashing is getting a little worn out. They've turned over a new leaf, so to speak. I've seen their new shop and it definitely doesn't live up to the "reputation" the internet had given it a few years ago. Top-quality work, and John Hennessey, the perpetrator of the shenanigans, isn't directly associated with the operations of the shop anymore.

Gearheadotaku
Gearheadotaku GRM+ Memberand Dork
3/29/10 8:42 p.m.

whol-lee-cr*p I'm the one who would wind up in that flaming ball o'death if I ever got one. Good thing I'm poor.

P71
P71 GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
3/29/10 8:43 p.m.

They earned their reputation one dollar at a time by bilking their customers, engaging in fraudulent business practices, and getting the pant sued off of themselves. I honestly don't know how they are still in business at all.

Dr. Hess
Dr. Hess SuperDork
3/29/10 9:03 p.m.

Googled JH.
http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f58/wow-john-hennessey-crook-yeah-viper-guy-34744/

Hennessey's Vipers are fast, but lawsuits say he serves them up too slowly. Ninety-eight percent of his customers love him, John Hennessey says. But a few hate him and some have sued. Hennessey Motorsports in Houston specializes in tuning Vipers, adding more power to what is already one of the most powerful cars in the world. Hennessey’s Vipers have been featured in this and many other magazines and the cars he has sent to us and to other media were impressive performers. Hennessey presents himself well, projecting an image of the consummate Texas good ol’ boy whose reassuring conversational style and howyewdoin’ demeanor put customers at ease. People believe they will get what he says he’ll give them. But not all people do. According to a lawsuit filed in Salt Lake City, Utah resident Taig Stewart sent his Viper GTS to Hennessey last May for an engine upgrade to 1100 hp along with several other modifications. For that he wire-transferred $142,500 to Hennessey. The lawsuit states the parties agreed the car would be done by mid-July 2001. As of press time the car was still sitting under a tarp in Hennessey’s shop in Houston. Or most of the car, anyway. Stewart’s suit claims Hennessey sold the car’s engine, transmission, wheels, tires and hood. The suit seeks return of the money, the Viper and “no less than $1 million” in punitive damages. Hennessey claims he’s just slow in getting the work done. “My side of the story is we’re planning on finishing his car and planning on giving him everything that he paid for,” said Hennessey. As for the parts being sold, “That’s totally false. We’ve got all his parts in the shop except the hood and he wanted to do a lightweight hood.” Stewart is not the first unsatisfied customer. The longer we dug the more dissatisfaction we found. Here’s a sampling: On Nov. 14 a New Jersey court entered a final judgement of $133,674 against Hennessey on behalf of Viper owner Gary Dan for a botched conversion. William Walters said he is out over $22,000 after shipping his Corvette to Hennessey for a head and cam package that was never done; he did have five rods bent and a head gasket damaged on the dyno in Hennessey’s shop during an experiment Hennessey tried with nitrous oxide. Jerry Johnson said he had to file suit in Placer County Court in California to straighten out registration and engine computer problems on a Viper he bought from Hennessey. n Jon Belinkie said he loves the changes made to his Viper but had to sue in his home state of Maryland, then register the judgement in Texas, to recover overcharges Hennessey made on his American Express card. Rick Ryan said he had to hound Hennessey for eight months by long distance from Marietta, Georgia, to put the proper wing and stripes on his Viper. Mark Lublin said he sent his Viper cylinder heads to Hennessey for new valves but when the heads came back he found the “new” valves were actually used; a cam that was delivered to Lublin in a Hennessey box turned out to be a stock Chrysler cam. Lublin was finally refunded $5,715 from American Express but only after nine months of disputing the charge; and he got no money from Hennessey. Bruce Iannatuono said he ordered $8,500 worth of Hennessey parts for his mechanic in Baltimore to install but was only able to use two-thirds of what was shipped, and then only after haranguing Hennessey for six months on an order that was originally promised in five weeks. Most of the complaints come from outside Texas. Hennessey, some said, tends to take better care of local customers. “If you were out of state, man you were fair game,” said Kyle Kent, a former employee at Hennessey Motorsports. When an out-of-state car came in it was sometimes parted out, with the wheels, tires and whatever else looked good going to other cars waiting to be finished or sold outright, according to Kent and others inside Hennessey Motorsports. Then Hennessey would call the car’s owner and try to sell him an upgraded kit. If the customer balked, Hennessey would take parts from other cars in the shop, or just let the job sit. Kent described one typical disassembly on an out-of-state Viper. “The motor and transmission went into a Durango John was putting together, the brakes went to someone else, the hood went to a guy in Ohio, the rear bumper to South Carolina, man you name it. We had multiple cars like that.” Another common practice was putting stock parts on what was supposed to be an upgraded car. “One customer spent $130,000 to $140,000 and that guy thought he had purchased a Venom 650R package which he thought came with the stroker motor,” Kent said. “John told him he was getting a stroker. He was just getting heads and cams.” Hennessey denies any wrongdoing. “I’ve got probably 3000 customers,” he said. “I’ve built over 300 cars and out of that I’ve had a handful of people that I’ve had some sort of a delivery problem with and I’ve had some of them who have sued me. So is that some sort of a trend or is that par for the course?”

Uh, RUN AWAY.

pinchvalve
pinchvalve GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
3/29/10 9:08 p.m.

Hennessey's legal problems are kinda old news I thought, he seems to have a new shop foreman and some business ethics and has been doing OK. I got my 1000hp Elise pretty quickly.

unevolved
unevolved Reader
3/29/10 9:27 p.m.
Dr. Hess wrote: Googled JH. http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f58/wow-john-hennessey-crook-yeah-viper-guy-34744/ Uh, RUN AWAY.

Look at the date on that article. June 27th, 2007. I wouldn't say that's relevant anymore. They're not even in the same town anymore. They still have this reputation because of internet propagation like that.

Gimp
Gimp GRM+ Memberand Dork
3/29/10 10:31 p.m.

GI_Drewsifer
GI_Drewsifer Reader
3/29/10 10:31 p.m.

Unevolved, it's easy to get a bad reputation, it's a lot harder to get rid of it. Hennessey got this bad rep from having shady practices. And it's going to take a while for it to go away. It's gonna take a few more years of squeaky clean living, and then people will talk about how they used to be shady shysters.

unevolved
unevolved Reader
3/29/10 11:50 p.m.
GI_Drewsifer wrote: Unevolved, it's easy to get a bad reputation, it's a lot harder to get rid of it. Hennessey got this bad rep from having shady practices. And it's going to take a while for it to go away. It's gonna take a few more years of squeaky clean living, and then people will talk about how they used to be shady shysters.

Yup. I'm one of the people talking about how they used to be shady shysters. I've seen their facility (and seen some damn cool things, too) and I feel like I should do my part to quell the now-baseless ZOMG Hennesscrewed berkeleyed over viper owners!!!!!!11!!!one!!!. It's a long process, yeah, but it's gotta start somewhere.

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