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Woody
Woody GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
7/14/10 3:24 p.m.

I recently had minor surgery to both hands, which has made everything (yes, everything) more difficult. In addition to being out of work due to my total lack of grip strength, I am also bored out of my skull (That's also why I have decided to put this up for sale: http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/forum/200x-classifieds/formula-ford-formula-grm-project-for-sale/23443/page1/ ).

So, I decided to tackle this little (really little, as a matter of fact) project that I picked up about five years ago. I never really understood rotaries, so I figured that this would be a great way to learn.

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...more to come...

nocones
nocones GRM+ Memberand Reader
7/14/10 3:29 p.m.

Sweet hot see through motorized ACTION!

How authentic is it? Does it puke out small plastic apex seals after ~70K miles or after exposure to 1 detonation event? Does it barf coolant after the first time you acidentally let it overheat? Does it consume gasoline at an alarming rate, but make the power of 2 similarly sized 1/5 scale plastic 4 cylinders?

Honestly though looks to be a fun/educational kit, and sorry to hear about the hands. Hopefully you recover quickly and completely.

Osterkraut
Osterkraut Dork
7/14/10 3:31 p.m.

Hey! I used that model to make a 3-D AutoCAD drawing of a 12A!

Neat little bugger. Keep us updated.

pilotbraden
pilotbraden Reader
7/14/10 3:31 p.m.

I had one of those as a kid. I got it for my birthday when I was about 10. At the time it was not as cool as an airplane model but I still remember it.

Mazdax605
Mazdax605 HalfDork
7/14/10 3:39 p.m.

Top mount starter,and twin dizzies FTMFW!!!!

Woody
Woody GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
7/14/10 3:44 p.m.

Didn't even notice the twin dizzies yet. Still learning...

Blitzed306
Blitzed306 New Reader
7/14/10 4:04 p.m.
nocones wrote: Sweet hot see through motorized ACTION! How authentic is it? Does it puke out small plastic apex seals after ~70K miles or after exposure to 1 detonation event? Does it barf coolant after the first time you acidentally let it overheat? Does it consume gasoline at an alarming rate, but make the power of 2 similarly sized 1/5 scale plastic 4 cylinders?

AHAHAHAHAAAAA

carguy123
carguy123 SuperDork
7/14/10 4:19 p.m.
nocones wrote: Sweet hot see through motorized ACTION! How authentic is it? Does it puke out small plastic apex seals after ~70K miles or after exposure to 1 detonation event? Does it barf coolant after the first time you acidentally let it overheat? Does it consume gasoline at an alarming rate, but make the power of 2 similarly sized 1/5 scale plastic 4 cylinders? Honestly though looks to be a fun/educational kit, and sorry to hear about the hands. Hopefully you recover quickly and completely.

I sense a little penis, no wait, I mean a little rotary envy. Take a kernal of truth, blow it up and put it on the interweb and it becomes the new truth. Disinformation at it's finest.

P71
P71 GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
7/14/10 4:29 p.m.
nocones wrote: Sweet hot see through motorized ACTION! How authentic is it? Does it puke out small plastic apex seals after ~70K miles or after exposure to 1 detonation event? Does it barf coolant after the first time you acidentally let it overheat? Does it consume gasoline at an alarming rate, but make the power of 2 similarly sized 1/5 scale plastic 4 cylinders? Honestly though looks to be a fun/educational kit, and sorry to hear about the hands. Hopefully you recover quickly and completely.

That's funny, my rotary had over 230,000 miles on it, over 200 autocross runs, had never been rebuilt, and won a Regional SCCA Championship. It also did 47 runs in one 4-hour block in August at the Packwood National Tour site in 100 degree weather with 5 drivers without getting hot. It also routinely beat Corvette's, 911's, and Boxster's even though it had the smallest displacement and lowest HP/TQ of any car in attendance. I also netted 25MPG on an impromptu 500 mile road trip.

Did I mention the same car and engine (still not rebuilt) is now an ITA race car with multiple races and podium under it's belt already?

Woody
Woody GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
7/14/10 4:56 p.m.

I've run into my first snag, as it seems that my ten year old tube of model glue is no longer working as originally intended. Hopefully, I can still purchase a replacement for this poison without a permit.

I'm an hour into this project and already, I have been able to do what I do best, which is to shower obsessive levels of detail upon tiny parts that few people will ever notice. Small rotating parts have been chucked into a drill and turned to ensure that they are perfectly round, except, you know, the eccentric stuff.

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Mazdax605
Mazdax605 HalfDork
7/14/10 4:58 p.m.

Can't be P71,we all know you are lying,and that rotaries blow up just by starting them up on Tuesday mornings when the sun is in Aquarius.

Mazdax605
Mazdax605 HalfDork
7/14/10 5:02 p.m.

The starter is mounted the wrong way by the way. Unless of course this is a Mazda from an earlier car than I think it is,and the motor doesn't hit the firewall in that configuration. On an RX-2 that starter would be hitting the firewall though,as the starter is mainly sitting on top of the engine instead of the transmission like in the picture.

z31maniac
z31maniac Dork
7/14/10 5:03 p.m.
P71 wrote:
nocones wrote: Sweet hot see through motorized ACTION! How authentic is it? Does it puke out small plastic apex seals after ~70K miles or after exposure to 1 detonation event? Does it barf coolant after the first time you acidentally let it overheat? Does it consume gasoline at an alarming rate, but make the power of 2 similarly sized 1/5 scale plastic 4 cylinders? Honestly though looks to be a fun/educational kit, and sorry to hear about the hands. Hopefully you recover quickly and completely.
That's funny, my rotary had over 230,000 miles on it, over 200 autocross runs, had never been rebuilt, and won a Regional SCCA Championship. It also did 47 runs in one 4-hour block in August at the Packwood National Tour site in 100 degree weather with 5 drivers without getting hot. It also routinely beat Corvette's, 911's, and Boxster's even though it had the smallest displacement and lowest HP/TQ of any car in attendance. I also netted 25MPG on an impromptu 500 mile road trip. Did I mention the same car and engine (still not rebuilt) is now an ITA race car with multiple races and podium under it's belt already?

Another thread derailed by rampant fanboism over a tongue-in-cheek comment.

Guys there are plenty of boards for that, let's not turn GRM into one them.

OP, thanks for this thread. Maybe building some models over the next few months will cure my desire to not tinker with the new DD and be easier on the wallett than finding a track car!

unevolved
unevolved HalfDork
7/14/10 5:22 p.m.

I'm 99.9% sure that's an early 10A, I just checked my copy of "Street Rotary," it has a good section on the history of the rotary engine.

Mazdax605
Mazdax605 HalfDork
7/14/10 5:24 p.m.

Could well be a 10A,and then the starter would make sense as these engines were mostly in the early Cosmo 110's and the starter would fit just fine in that configuration.

BoxheadTim
BoxheadTim GRM+ Memberand Dork
7/14/10 5:41 p.m.

Great, now I couldn't resist the urge to scan ebay with a view to getting one of these kits as well .

unevolved
unevolved HalfDork
7/14/10 6:01 p.m.

Here's the picture out of the book. Starter location, dizzies, alternator, shifter, air box, everything matches up perfectly.

Teh E36 M3
Teh E36 M3 Reader
7/14/10 7:58 p.m.
z31maniac wrote:
P71 wrote:
nocones wrote: Sweet hot see through motorized ACTION! How authentic is it? Does it puke out small plastic apex seals after ~70K miles or after exposure to 1 detonation event? Does it barf coolant after the first time you acidentally let it overheat? Does it consume gasoline at an alarming rate, but make the power of 2 similarly sized 1/5 scale plastic 4 cylinders? Honestly though looks to be a fun/educational kit, and sorry to hear about the hands. Hopefully you recover quickly and completely.
That's funny, my rotary had over 230,000 miles on it, over 200 autocross runs, had never been rebuilt, and won a Regional SCCA Championship. It also did 47 runs in one 4-hour block in August at the Packwood National Tour site in 100 degree weather with 5 drivers without getting hot. It also routinely beat Corvette's, 911's, and Boxster's even though it had the smallest displacement and lowest HP/TQ of any car in attendance. I also netted 25MPG on an impromptu 500 mile road trip. Did I mention the same car and engine (still not rebuilt) is now an ITA race car with multiple races and podium under it's belt already?
Another thread derailed by rampant fanboism over a tongue-in-cheek comment. Guys there are plenty of boards for that, let's not turn GRM into one them. OP, thanks for this thread. Maybe building some models over the next few months will cure my desire to not tinker with the new DD and be easier on the wallett than finding a track car!

Yeah, I think you might know that nocones has one in his midget right? Tongue in cheek fellas. Funny too.

wlkelley3
wlkelley3 HalfDork
7/14/10 8:04 p.m.

Had one of those as a kid also. Dad got it for me to help me learn about different kinds of engines. He was an aircraft engine specialist. Even worked when I got it together.

smog7
smog7 Dork
7/14/10 8:21 p.m.

such a cool model! I need to pick one of these up

RexSeven
RexSeven Dork
7/14/10 9:45 p.m.

Very cool. This website has a ton of info on RX-7 and Mazda rotary-related model kits: http://www.xs4all.nl/~erix7/emain.html

Scroll down to the bottom of this page for more info on Wankel engine model kits: http://www.xs4all.nl/~erix7/rx7kits/miniothr.html

nocones
nocones GRM+ Memberand Reader
7/14/10 10:51 p.m.

Yeah fanboi's simmer down. It was tongue in cheek. I own ~5 rotary engines in various states of dissrepair and am building my Midget around one. I'm aware of their awesomeness and not so accurate internet legend. I just thought it would be humorous and didn't intend to de-rail the OP's awesome model build.

bamalama
bamalama HalfDork
7/14/10 11:55 p.m.
P71 wrote:
nocones wrote: Sweet hot see through motorized ACTION! How authentic is it? Does it puke out small plastic apex seals after ~70K miles or after exposure to 1 detonation event? Does it barf coolant after the first time you acidentally let it overheat? Does it consume gasoline at an alarming rate, but make the power of 2 similarly sized 1/5 scale plastic 4 cylinders? Honestly though looks to be a fun/educational kit, and sorry to hear about the hands. Hopefully you recover quickly and completely.
That's funny, my rotary had over 230,000 miles on it, over 200 autocross runs, had never been rebuilt, and won a Regional SCCA Championship. It also did 47 runs in one 4-hour block in August at the Packwood National Tour site in 100 degree weather with 5 drivers without getting hot. It also routinely beat Corvette's, 911's, and Boxster's even though it had the smallest displacement and lowest HP/TQ of any car in attendance. I also netted 25MPG on an impromptu 500 mile road trip. Did I mention the same car and engine (still not rebuilt) is now an ITA race car with multiple races and podium under it's belt already?

ANYTHING YOU'VE EVER OWNED IS THE BEST

unevolved
unevolved HalfDork
7/14/10 11:57 p.m.
bamalama wrote:
P71 wrote:
nocones wrote: Sweet hot see through motorized ACTION! How authentic is it? Does it puke out small plastic apex seals after ~70K miles or after exposure to 1 detonation event? Does it barf coolant after the first time you acidentally let it overheat? Does it consume gasoline at an alarming rate, but make the power of 2 similarly sized 1/5 scale plastic 4 cylinders? Honestly though looks to be a fun/educational kit, and sorry to hear about the hands. Hopefully you recover quickly and completely.
That's funny, my rotary had over 230,000 miles on it, over 200 autocross runs, had never been rebuilt, and won a Regional SCCA Championship. It also did 47 runs in one 4-hour block in August at the Packwood National Tour site in 100 degree weather with 5 drivers without getting hot. It also routinely beat Corvette's, 911's, and Boxster's even though it had the smallest displacement and lowest HP/TQ of any car in attendance. I also netted 25MPG on an impromptu 500 mile road trip. Did I mention the same car and engine (still not rebuilt) is now an ITA race car with multiple races and podium under it's belt already?
ANYTHING YOU'VE EVER OWNED IS THE BEST

I wish I had that kind of a streak. I tend to attract pieces of E36 M3.

friedgreencorrado
friedgreencorrado SuperDork
7/15/10 1:52 a.m.
Woody wrote: I've run into my first snag, as it seems that my ten year old tube of model glue is no longer working as originally intended. Hopefully, I can still purchase a replacement for this poison without a permit. I'm an hour into this project and already, I have been able to do what I do best, which is to shower obsessive levels of detail upon tiny parts that few people will ever notice. Small rotating parts have been chucked into a drill and turned to ensure that they are perfectly round, except, you know, the eccentric stuff. Photobucket

(plastic model guy mode on)

Ditch the Testors. You're doing some great stuff cleaning up the parts, don't ruin them by using "old school" adhesives. That's the kind of crap that made all the model cars we built as kids look like lumps of bad welding. I can't find any link to the chemical content (googling gives me nothing but 340,572,345 places that want to sell me Testors cement) but old "model cements" like T's stuff actually works by melting the plastic of both pieces to be joined, and letting the pieces fuse together as it dries. Not so good if you want to preserve the details you've carved into the "smaller parts" you've mentioned. I did use it, but kind of like a filler to make the big gaps between the parts solid enough to lay & sand filler putty on a bodywork conversion I was doing. Think of it as "welding". You don't always want to weld pieces together..sometimes you just want to "assemble" them.

For regular assembly, I use CA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanoacrylate

Yeah, what's popularly known as "Super Glue". The stuff was originally invented to bond skin on wounds, so you really don't want to get it on your hands. Honestly, it doesn't have much resistance to shear..but I've never worried about how much shear my little model cars will suffer while on their display bases on the shelf.

Only probs I've had with CA:

1.) The stuff binds so quickly that you need to have the parts lined up perfectly the first time. Wasn't a problem for me when I was 30, but now that I'm chasing 50, my hands shake like the San Anrdreas Fault. OTOH, since there's so little shear strength, you can usually separate any mis-aligned pieces with a lil' torque in the joint between them using something like an X-Acto knife.

2.) CA's been around for so long now that there are dozens of different "mixtures" for model making. Slow curing for the R/C airplane guys, fast curing for those of us working polystyrene, "fast flowing" for field repairs to flying models (that stuff was really intended for the R/C airplane guys, but I loved the stuff for my flying model rockets), "slow flowing" for construction of the models in the first damn place, etc. etc. Make sure you find the right one for the job you're trying to do. I just damn near screwed up a rare Tamiya 1/12th scale Matra F1 car (I'm converting it from the kit supplied Matra V-12 to the Ford Cosworth powered car Jackie Stewart won the `Ring with in 68) by using one of the "thinner" CA products out there. Stuff didn't bond quickly enough to hold all of those old warped parts together, and was so thin that it ran off of the parts I was trying to glue together. It seemed like half of it ended up on my fingers. Which brings me to...

3.) Have a debonder close at hand.

http://www.supergluecorp.com/zap/zap-z-7-debonder

The great thing about CA is that since it's a largely chemical bond, you can shoot other chemicals at it to break the molecular structure of the bond. Maybe not what you want on your model, but it's exactly what you want when your thumb and index finger are stuck together.

Sorry I got so long-winded, Woody! I'm just getting back into plastic modeling m'self after about 5yrs, and I'm kinda hyped up right now.

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