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HalfTrac, Lord of FWD Failboxes
HalfTrac, Lord of FWD Failboxes SuperDork
12/21/10 3:13 p.m.

Alright, this might be a long read, but it's worth it.

http://forums.evolutionm.net/evo-dyno-tuning-results/447351-highest-hp-4g63-engine-2007-a.html

Keywords:

CNC Billet Titanium Compressor
100psi capable turbo
12,000 rpms
titanium valves
copper-beryllium valve seats
titanium camshafts
billet titanium conrods
beryllium pistons
titanium billet crank
9000cc injectors
CNC machined billet aluminum block

Tons of insanity throughout that thread. (besides the vendor on those forums that made an ass of himself on multiple occasions.)

pres589
pres589 HalfDork
12/21/10 3:21 p.m.

"failboxes" is one of the worst things I've read on this monitor today and you really don't want to lose that race.

pilotbraden
pilotbraden Reader
12/21/10 3:25 p.m.

That could be a greek tragedy

dj
dj New Reader
12/21/10 3:34 p.m.

That E36 M3 is ridiculous.

HalfTrac, Lord of FWD Failboxes
HalfTrac, Lord of FWD Failboxes SuperDork
12/21/10 3:58 p.m.
pres589 wrote: "failboxes" is one of the worst things I've read on this monitor today and you really don't want to lose that race.

It doesn't flow as well as i thought it was going to. I think i'm going to go back to the drawing board.

speedblind
speedblind Reader
12/22/10 5:20 a.m.

Pretty cool, if you just read the OP's posts and ignore the horrible forum grammar. Must every response be constructed like a 12 year old's text messages?

Raze
Raze Dork
12/22/10 7:12 a.m.

Anyone rocking custom titanium parts is A-OK in my book...

wearymicrobe
wearymicrobe Reader
12/22/10 10:28 a.m.
speedblind wrote: Pretty cool, if you just read the OP's posts and ignore the horrible forum grammar. Must every response be constructed like a 12 year old's text messages?

Its even more tragic when you realize the OP is from Greece and the rest of them are home grown.

Kendall_Jones
Kendall_Jones Reader
12/22/10 10:44 a.m.

I wish there was a way on these "epic forum builds" to filter out everyone but the OP. 27 pages, OP posts like 10 times & the rest is fan boy / hater / troll E36 M3.

kj

Nitroracer
Nitroracer SuperDork
12/22/10 11:32 a.m.
Kendall_Jones wrote: I wish there was a way on these "epic forum builds" to filter out everyone but the OP. 27 pages, OP posts like 10 times & the rest is fan boy / hater / troll E36 M3. kj

There should be a way somewhere. I know most forums can search post or threads started by a user, it would just be a matter of assembling them.

HalfTrac, Lord of the FWD deathbox
HalfTrac, Lord of the FWD deathbox SuperDork
12/22/10 11:46 a.m.
wearymicrobe wrote:
speedblind wrote: Pretty cool, if you just read the OP's posts and ignore the horrible forum grammar. Must every response be constructed like a 12 year old's text messages?
Its even more tragic when you realize the OP is from Greece and the rest of them are home grown.

Yeah, the other vendor that seemed to have a bee up his ass through the whole thread was particularly bad. He seemed to be an example of the worst confrontational uneducated redneck possible, but just happened to work on Evos. Great advertising, there.

scardeal
scardeal Reader
12/22/10 12:32 p.m.

So, it's powered by a beryllium sphere, huh? But does it have the Omega 13?

HalfTrac, Lord of the FWD deathbox
HalfTrac, Lord of the FWD deathbox SuperDork
12/22/10 3:29 p.m.

Someone posted the link on the local forums, and haters that can't be bothered to read are coming out of the wordwork there, too.

dsycks
dsycks Reader
12/22/10 4:56 p.m.

One reason I gladly left EvoM was that it was fully vendor driven. The David Buschurs of the world ruin the place and you get banned for calling him out on his BS. Guy makes fast cars mind you, great stuff but he is a tool of a person imo and is far from the only game in town... please note however how he gets up in anyones grill who posts any sort of numbers.

With that said very cool stuff. Its nice seeing folks push out new parts and do cool new stuff.

Ignorant
Ignorant SuperDork
12/22/10 7:08 p.m.

Bah.. CNC TI comp wheels are nothing special..

Look at any cummins powered fire truck.

kb58
kb58 Reader
12/22/10 7:19 p.m.
HalfTrac, Lord of FWD Failboxes wrote: ...copper-beryllium valve seats ...

Unless the installer wore a respirator, there's a good chance he'll get lung cancer from those. Beryllium is nasty nasty stuff, keep far away from its dust.

kb58
kb58 Reader
12/22/10 7:21 p.m.
HalfTrac, Lord of FWD Failboxes wrote: ... 9000cc injectors ...

Let's see, Hondas make about 500 - 600 hp on 1000 cc injectors, so this one must make nine times that...

kb58
kb58 Reader
12/22/10 7:27 p.m.

I've always wondered how useful a power curve is that more than doubles delivered power within ~1000 rpm. Imagine talking to someone who whispers the first half of each sentence and yells the second half - yeah, that's not annoying.

They "don't care about dyno charts" but post lots of them. Seems like they're going for the stereotypical drag-racer thing of make-as-much-peak-power-no-matter-what, never mind how it bogs outside that narrow range of insanity.

vazbmw
vazbmw Reader
12/22/10 8:36 p.m.

In reply to kb58:

Can't hate on 2000hp...from a 4 cylinder

Strike_Zero
Strike_Zero HalfDork
12/22/10 10:19 p.m.

In reply to kb58:

It reminds me of the youtube video of the guy with the turbo civic racing a stock GTO. He lost the first few races and upped speed for the last race to make sure his car was "in boost" in order to win . . . And talked E36 M3 about how the slow the GTO was when he FINALLY won 1 race.

Still impressive amount of power . . .

Tom Heath
Tom Heath Webmaster
12/22/10 10:57 p.m.

Oh my. The video looks like a wild ride. Low production values, but worth the wait.

My favorite AWD launch. (but skip to the end...)

Nitroracer
Nitroracer SuperDork
12/22/10 11:12 p.m.

Impressive, for its displacement yes.

Completely impractical for a street car? Yes again.

Give me a nice curve, not a clip of a heart monitor.

HalfTrac, Lord of the FWD deathbox
HalfTrac, Lord of the FWD deathbox SuperDork
12/23/10 7:53 a.m.
Nitroracer wrote: Impressive, for its displacement yes. Completely impractical for a street car? Yes again. Give me a nice curve, not a clip of a heart monitor.

If you read the whole thread, they're anticipating 1000whp by 6000rpms, and they're revving to 12k+. That's a pretty large powerband with GOBS of power.

Gotta remember, this is a motor that makes almost 400whp before the turbo is even strapped on.

tuna55
tuna55 Dork
12/23/10 8:40 a.m.
HalfTrac, Lord of the FWD deathbox wrote:
Nitroracer wrote: Impressive, for its displacement yes. Completely impractical for a street car? Yes again. Give me a nice curve, not a clip of a heart monitor.
If you read the whole thread, they're anticipating 1000whp by 6000rpms, and they're revving to 12k+. That's a pretty large powerband with GOBS of power. Gotta remember, this is a motor that makes almost 400whp before the turbo is even strapped on.

I'm with KB on this one. Anything other than a serious drag racer and this engine is useless. It may be a broad power curve, but at some point the engine has to operate below 6000 RPM, unless you do some really weird torque converter magic.

HalfTrac, Lord of the FWD deathbox
HalfTrac, Lord of the FWD deathbox SuperDork
12/23/10 8:53 a.m.
tuna55 wrote:
HalfTrac, Lord of the FWD deathbox wrote:
Nitroracer wrote: Impressive, for its displacement yes. Completely impractical for a street car? Yes again. Give me a nice curve, not a clip of a heart monitor.
If you read the whole thread, they're anticipating 1000whp by 6000rpms, and they're revving to 12k+. That's a pretty large powerband with GOBS of power. Gotta remember, this is a motor that makes almost 400whp before the turbo is even strapped on.
I'm with KB on this one. Anything other than a serious drag racer and this engine is useless. It may be a broad power curve, but at some point the engine has to operate below 6000 RPM, unless you do some really weird torque converter magic.

It makes easily twice the power below 6000rpms than an S2000 motor does... i'm not sure if that really qualifies as "useless," though i do see your point. At the end of the day though, these guys are just building what the customer wants. I doubt they have any delusions of this thing being a docile daily driver.

It's probably faster before it even sees positive boost than my car is at ANY point, and i certainly wouldn't call my car slow.

Not meant as a jab to either of you, but i don't really understand the thought process that seems to point to a turbodiesel attached to an automatic being the best drivetrain for anything.

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