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SVreX
SVreX MegaDork
3/27/19 12:16 p.m.

In reply to Antihero :

That’s fair (and true). Some of this is just me thinking out loud. 

The van was just a moment. I’m off that- it won’t work. 

My opinion on Dodge has always been low, mostly because of long term reliability. But I am curious if that is the same reputation their newer trucks have, or if I’m just carrying over old prejudices. 

Are the people you know who have had bad experiences referring to older trucks, or are there similar problems for newer ones?

Long term reliability is definitely still my #1 priority  

 

 

SVreX
SVreX MegaDork
3/27/19 12:18 p.m.

In reply to Robbie :

Got it on fuel. 

My fuel is free- my company pays. But the  Dodge has higher EPA estimates. 

Robbie
Robbie UltimaDork
3/27/19 12:19 p.m.

MSRP ranges are all really similar but the gas mileage rating (I know they might not be representative of the real world mileage) shows Ford as the significant winner. I think it is also the towing winner. Also, the range may be a factor for you, and Ford looks like the clear winner there too. 

Robbie
Robbie UltimaDork
3/27/19 12:22 p.m.

didnt see your most recent post SV - so mine looks like a retort but it was not meant to be. 

SVreX
SVreX MegaDork
3/27/19 12:23 p.m.

In reply to Robbie :

That’s the Ecoboost, not the 5.0L

I would probably avoid the Ecoboost because of complexity and reliability issues. 

Robbie
Robbie UltimaDork
3/27/19 12:25 p.m.

I picked the biggest non-diesel engine in the drop down for each truck. Maybe the 5.0 isn't offered in 2019? Or there are just way too many different 'F150' submodels and I picked the wrong one. 

Antihero
Antihero GRM+ Memberand Dork
3/27/19 12:26 p.m.
SVreX said:

In reply to Antihero :

That’s fair (and true). Some of this is just me thinking out loud. 

The van was just a moment. I’m off that- it won’t work. 

My opinion on Dodge has always been low, mostly because of long term reliability. But I am curious if that is the same reputation their newer trucks have, or if I’m just carrying over old prejudices. 

Are the people you know who have had bad experiences referring to older trucks, or are there similar problems for newer ones?

Long term reliability is definitely still my #1 priority  

 

 

It is mostly older but if its longterm its hard to really gauge that for a 5 year old truck too lol. What do you think is "long term" for you? I still own the first truck i bought 19 years ago and im a big fan of long term reliability too, i plan on owning whatever car i buy forever.

SVreX
SVreX MegaDork
3/27/19 12:27 p.m.

In reply to Robbie :

Don’t know. But you are comparing a 6 cylinder to 8 cylinders. 

Im not looking at new. The 2015 F150 I drove today had the 5.0L

SVreX
SVreX MegaDork
3/27/19 12:30 p.m.

In reply to Antihero :

Long term to me...

I drove my F250 for 16 years and put 350,000 mikes on it. The only thing I did outside of normal maintenance was fuel injectors. 

Since that is probably an unrealistic standard, I’m left asking yall’s opinion!  smileysmileycheeky

STM317
STM317 SuperDork
3/27/19 12:41 p.m.

Reliability data is really polarizing, and there are lots of ways that the manufacturers will spin the data. If you value something like Consumer Reports, RAM didn't fare so well during the era of trucks you're considering. They rank the Tundra as the most reliable in that link, but the Tundra also gets abysmal fuel economy, and the thought of a timing belt in a truck is just offputting to me.

volvoclearinghouse
volvoclearinghouse UberDork
3/27/19 12:48 p.m.
SVreX said:

In reply to Antihero :

Long term to me...

I drove my F250 for 16 years and put 350,000 mikes on it. The only thing I did outside of normal maintenance was fuel injectors. 

Since that is probably an unrealistic standard, I’m left asking yall’s opinion!  smileysmileycheeky

Like I said, find a low-mile example of the one you just crashed.  You like it, why change?

oldopelguy
oldopelguy UberDork
3/27/19 1:26 p.m.

I could put you in my extended cab long bed 2011 Silverado 2500HD gasser for pretty close to half your budget, and it's got 2.5 years left on the unlimited mileage transferable transmission warranty.....

Oh, and if the motor didn't get physically broken you should see what the buyback is on your Ford. Seth needs a well broken in 7.3 for his COE.

And further edit: for right in the low end of your budget I could put you in my cutaway Transit with a 12' flatbed.  Tow rating is only @6k, but with the flatbed you could shift a lot of load to the truck directly and maybe tow less. 

SVreX
SVreX MegaDork
3/27/19 1:40 p.m.
volvoclearinghouse said:
SVreX said:

In reply to Antihero :

Long term to me...

I drove my F250 for 16 years and put 350,000 mikes on it. The only thing I did outside of normal maintenance was fuel injectors. 

Since that is probably an unrealistic standard, I’m left asking yall’s opinion!  smileysmileycheeky

Like I said, find a low-mile example of the one you just crashed.  You like it, why change?

I didn't mean to overlook your suggestion.  It's a good suggestion (and I am looking into it), but those trucks are pretty hard to find right now.

SVreX
SVreX MegaDork
3/27/19 1:45 p.m.

In reply to oldopelguy :

You've got mail regarding your Silverado.

 

My motor is unharmed, and I rebuilt the trans last year.  New tires, batteries, brakes.. plenty of maintenance effort.   Since I drive 1000 miles per week, I made sure to keep her running.  I am certainly planning to look into the buyback amount for my Ford, and you guys will be the first ones I contact!

Cotton
Cotton PowerDork
3/27/19 2:05 p.m.

You asked about the hemi Rams.  I have two co-workers than own them.  I think one is a 13 and the other a 15, both big horn hemis.  One has needed some broken exhaust studs replaced,  outside of routine maintenance,  and has 160k miles.  The other has around 120k and she hasn’t mentioned it needing anything.  Both used for commuting, trips, with occasional towing.  I used the 2013 one time to tow a car and thought it was a real nice truck.  Lots of options,  plenty of power, etc.

mtn
mtn MegaDork
3/27/19 2:25 p.m.
Cotton said:

You asked about the hemi Rams.  I have two co-workers than own them.  I think one is a 13 and the other a 15, both big horn hemis.  One has needed some broken exhaust studs replaced,  outside of routine maintenance,  and has 160k miles.  The other has around 120k and she hasn’t mentioned it needing anything.  Both used for commuting, trips, with occasional towing.  I used the 2013 one time to tow a car and thought it was a real nice truck.  Lots of options,  plenty of power, etc.

My boss has a Rebel--pretty sure it is a 2015. Damn if that isn't a nice place to be. He's had no issues with it, but apparently the first thing you need to do is spray the underside to rust proof it. 

He's considering trading it in on a new(er) Rebel. Why? Because HIS boss had the same year Rebel, and traded it in on a new one, and it was like $5k more to upgrade. After 30k miles. Apparently they don't depreciate.

morello159
morello159 New Reader
3/27/19 2:30 p.m.

My needs are similar to yours... Daily driving with occasional light towing and equipment hauling (my equipment is expensive sound equipment rather than tools). I ended up in a crew cab 2018 F150 XLT (302a) with the 2.7, big fuel tank and tow package. I was out the door for $33k brand new. It's rated to tow 7800 in a chassis that's rated for over 10k. I get 25-26mpg on the highway, 19-20mpg in stop-and-go city traffic.I get about 17mpg towing 5000lbs worth of race car on an open trailer at 75mph. Uses regular gas.

For the equipment, I got a bi-folding hard cover for the bed. With the cover down and the tailgate up, it's a locked, mostly weather-proof box that I can keep equipment in out of sight and secure. I got the dealer to throw in a 6yr 100k mile powertrain warranty, but I'm not particularly concerned with it. They've added port injection to alleviate carbon buildup concerns from direct injection, doubled up on the timing chain to fix that issue from the earlier EcoBoost engines. Turbo engines have been around for a long time at this point - I think the reliability issues are overblown.

If ~$30k new is out of the question, I would suggest a 2011+ ecoboost or 5.0 F150.  You'd see similar performance and real world gas mileage from both - pick your flavor. I prefer the effortless low-end torque of a turbo engine. GM trucks with their AFM issues and god-awful interiors always pushed me away, and I'll admit I've never really considered Dodge. Tundras run forever but they're expensive to buy (even used), get terrible gas mileage and ride like a lumber wagon. 

Good luck!

SVreX
SVreX MegaDork
3/27/19 2:40 p.m.

In reply to morello159 :

Thank you.  Good summary (and my opinions too).

$30K new is not out of the question.  That sounds like quite a deal... Mind if I ask where you bought it?

Ovid_and_Flem
Ovid_and_Flem SuperDork
3/27/19 2:57 p.m.

In reply to SVreX :

Modern F150s are bigger than my vintage F250 TD.  And waaaaaay more comfy.

But you don't get free showers when you fill up at truck stopscheeky

frenchyd
frenchyd UltraDork
3/27/19 5:21 p.m.
SVreX said:

In reply to morello159 :

Thank you.  Good summary (and my opinions too).

$30K new is not out of the question.  That sounds like quite a deal... Mind if I ask where you bought it?

Those prices sound about right.  Take the list price and reduce it by 20%  and you have a fair deal.  There are a few more dollars to discount but it’s not going to be a walk in.  

Where you buy doesn’t matter!  Buy it from whoever will give you the best deal.  Your local dealer will be glad to honor the warranty because few dealers actually make a profit selling new.  The profit comes from the trade in!!!!! 

Plus if you go to 10 different salesmen/ women at a dealership your are likely to get 10 different prices. Being referred by a previous customer only adds to the price!

 Here’s how to get your best price in today’s market. Send a text to every dealership of whatever brand you settle on within the distance you are willing to  drive to to pick it up.  Here in the metro area I set a 150 mile range. 

Do not go to a dealership!!  

Tell them what you want. Cab size, box size, equipment level. Engine and special options/ equipment.  Color choice or preferences.   

To pick those out go on Fords, Chevy, GM, or Dodge’s web site and select what you want.  Packages are the way to go.  While you can pick and choose individual options, and they likely can custom order that for you, you’ll pay too much and wait too darn long.  

Remember you will get cheaper insurance with safety enhancing features like active cruise control( gives you automatic braking) Blind  spot warning,  back up Camera etc.  You have to give your trucks serial number now days to get an actual insurance quote and the serial number tells the agent what equipment is on the truck, especially safety equipment. 

 If you send out 50 requests for a quote you might get back 12-15 actual quotes.  Most want you to come in for the best deal.  Don’t!!!!!!!!’ Not unless you like to deal with high pressure.  Those are dealerships to avoid.  

Most dealerships have a internet salesman, he may get you the best bid on a new truck.  May!  

If you check the selling price and it’s not 20% off the list price, don’t be afraid to call back on another day and ask for New truck sales. 

Or the sales manager,   or the new guy, you forgot his name.  

Dealerships often sell out of other stores.  I bought mine at a local dealership but it came from A south eastern Chicago dealership. They delivered it over 500 miles free. I got 24% off!  it came with free oil changes for 2 years, free car washes, cleaned, shined and with a full tank of gas. ( but 524 miles on the odometer) 

Just because you have a quote and the lowest price doesn’t mean you are done and you should go pick it up.  Ask for the goodies.  Most dealerships get bonuses based on how many they sell. Not how much profit they make. 

Oh sure the salesmen’s commission depends on profit, that’s why they want you in the dealership to negotiate. But when you are sitting at home you have all the power. Not in the dealership! 

 

How do I know this?  In 1974 I went to work for the local.chevy dealership, in 2012/13 I worked for a Ford dealership.  I last bought a new truck in 2017. And the game is still about the same.  

OHSCrifle
OHSCrifle GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
3/27/19 6:30 p.m.

For under $6k you could buy my 2wd Tundra XSP double cab with 252,500 miles on the 4.7 V8 + new timing belt, radiator, hoses, belts, idler and tensioner, t-stat and water pump, valve cover gaskets, spark plugs, pcv. And new U/L Toyota ball joints, upper/lower control arms and sway bar bushings. And front brake pads. Driving great. Looks pretty good. Good rubber. Comfortable. Bottom of the depreciation curve. Georgia truck. Loves to drink gasoline.

 

spitfirebill
spitfirebill MegaDork
3/27/19 7:32 p.m.
frenchyd said:

In reply to logdog :

Both Ford and GM sell “work Trucks” in primarily white. With rubber floor matts but still decently equipped. 

That is exactly what we buy for company vehicles.  

TRoglodyte
TRoglodyte UltraDork
3/27/19 8:20 p.m.

Why were you going to a massage parlor? Oh wait, where is that troll thread?

SVreX
SVreX MegaDork
3/27/19 8:24 p.m.

In reply to TRoglodyte :

Umm... that was the other guy. 

Apparently he was so desperate for a tug job that he was willing to cut me off and take a detour to the hospital in a neck brace. 

OHSCrifle
OHSCrifle GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
3/27/19 8:30 p.m.

New F250XL diesel is a darn nice HD truck for about $40k. 

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