For what it's worth, all m media outlet seem to be reporting it as a pug on hybrid electric, not battery electric, that he was referencing when he said "plug in electric". I'm guessing this was somehow clarified for those in attendance.
I would also put the emphasis on the word 'mild' in the "mild hybrid" system on the turbo four. You can only transmit so much torque through the alternator belt
edizzle89 said:Electric makes it a little harder to 'refuel' on the trail if you run out of 'gas'. Last i checked they dont make jerry cans for electricity.
ultraclyde said:I just saw these "leaked towing and hauling" numbers for the JL/JT over at Jalop. I take it back, I might be interested in the diesel, or in a pickup.
https://truckyeah.jalopnik.com/apparently-leaked-documents-lay-out-new-jeep-wrangler-t-1819148952
short version: Diesel wrangler tows 5500, all JTs tow 6500.
would I look like an idiot driving a JT with a camper shell?
Yeah, 442 Lb Ft of torque in a box on wheels that also gets 30 MPGs. Sign me up!
Fueled by Caffeine said:logdog said:I havent been on Jeep Forums in awhile. I need to swing over there and see if there is a thread complaining about what a Mall Crawler the JL is and how the JK was the last "real" Jeep.
this.. 1000X this... The CJ was the last real jeep when the YJ came out.. same with TJ and JK and...
The lot of them needs to shut it and just wheel.
But you've got to admit at least, "real Jeeps have round headlights." 
I had a poster of an MB on my door in college with that slogan on it, just to annoy my buddy who drove a YJ.
rslifkin said:Considering past Jeep hood vents have tended to be functional (to at least some degree), I fully expect the ones in the picture are.
As far as size compared to past Jeeps, yeah, the 4dr Wranglers are big. The wheelbase is a full 10" longer than a ZJ or WJ and it's also longer than an old full size Cherokee / Wagoneer by a few inches. The overall size isn't massive relative to the wheelbase, but they are big. JKs are also wider than most previous Jeep vehicles.
They are huge, the new JL Rubicon comes with 33" tires stock, and room to fit 35" tires. The TJ needs a 4" lift, just to consistently fit 33" tires without rubbing.
ETA, in the video I linked below, they confirm that the hood and fender vents are functional.
We really need a multi quote.
While I'm on a roll posting in this thread, here's a closer look at a 2 door.
gearheadmb said:In reply to akylekoz :
I used to have wrangler trail rig. I felt like i stayed a lot cooler with the windshield down when creeping around at 1 mph. Another bonus was towing it. I could definitely feel the difference in towing it with the windshield down. But i think neither of those are why they have fold down windshields today. They did it originally for military reasons (i assume) and people liked it. They wanted it on their civilian jeep. Over time it just became one of those things that make a jeep a jeep.
I believe it's to give more clearance if driving in an area with low hanging tree branches. If you've ever seen "The Gods Must Be Crazy," they have a scene with a Land Rover that shows this in action. And a few more comedic uses for a fold-down windshield, as well.
So...what's the point of the holes in the doors?
ultraclyde said:So...what's the point of the holes in the doors?
I'm guessing they're windows. Maybe for better visibility of what's right next to you down low on a trail when you don't have the doors off?
ultraclyde said:So...what's the point of the holes in the doors?
They're claiming trail visibility.
I know some FToy (spec Toyota based offroad class) folks that go as far as expanded metal floor boards, so they can see better, i.e. directly through the floor.
ultraclyde said:I just saw these "leaked towing and hauling" numbers for the JL/JT over at Jalop. I take it back, I might be interested in the diesel, or in a pickup.
https://truckyeah.jalopnik.com/apparently-leaked-documents-lay-out-new-jeep-wrangler-t-1819148952
short version: Diesel wrangler tows 5500, all JTs tow 6500.
would I look like an idiot driving a JT with a camper shell?
I was looking at those hoping to find some evidence that there was more than one body style for the truck. Doesn't look like it. 
I think I need to get SWMBO to start rolling with the windshield down on hers all the time so she stops breaking the berkeleying things 
. She's had her JK for a little over a year and a half and it's about to be on its third windshield, and needed chips fixed on an additional 2 or 3 occasions.
I like that Jeep is offering more configurations on the new platform, and 30mpg for the diesel is really intriguing. Depending upon pricing and how well JK values hold up, trading up in a couple years may actually make sense for us. Would definitely wait a year or two at least to see how well they fair on the reliability front, though.
Any word on where they're sourcing the oil burner from? FCA design or someone else?
Furious_E said:Any word on where they're sourcing the oil burner from? FCA design or someone else?
It's the "same" VM Motori V6 Eco Diesel that's available in the Grand Cherokee, and the 1500 Ram. Uprated a few HP and about 20 Lb Ft (I assume tuned) for it's debut in the Wrangler platform.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_VM_Motori_engines#6_Cylinder
I've actually used the folding windshield on my Land Rover to get out of a stuck situation. The truck leaned over and put the top of the windshield against a rock. We used a hi-lift to push the truck sideways a little bit, I folded down the windshield and we drove out.
Diesel Wrangler pickup is rated to tow only 5500lbs? That's disappointing. I was hoping it'd be rated at 7500-8000lbs, in the same neighborhood as the 7700lbs my Cayenne is.
My M3 on my aluminum open trailer is probably at least 4500lbs with my tools, another set of wheels, etc, etc...
bigdaddylee82 said:Furious_E said:Any word on where they're sourcing the oil burner from? FCA design or someone else?
It's the "same" VM Motori V6 Eco Diesel that's available in the Grand Cherokee, and the 1500 Ram. Uprated a few HP and about 20 Lb Ft (I assume tuned) for it's debut in the Wrangler platform.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_VM_Motori_engines#6_Cylinder
Thanks, thought I had read a while back it was supposed to be a 4 banger. That may change my tune a bit, as I haven't been given a great impression of that motor's reliability.
Still, 442 lb-ft of torque in a Wrangler would be SWEET! The Pentastar is a perfectly good motor, but I never much liked its character for a Jeep - needs a tractor-like engine with tons of low down torque.
docwyte said:Diesel Wrangler pickup is rated to tow only 5500lbs? That's disappointing. I was hoping it'd be rated at 7500-8000lbs, in the same neighborhood as the 7700lbs my Cayenne is.
My M3 on my aluminum open trailer is probably at least 4500lbs with my tools, another set of wheels, etc, etc...
Off road suspension typically lowers the tow capacity. Diesel Colorado is rated 7700 lbs, ZR2 is rated 5000 lbs. It's all a compromise.
MadScientistMatt said:gearheadmb said:In reply to akylekoz :
I used to have wrangler trail rig. I felt like i stayed a lot cooler with the windshield down when creeping around at 1 mph. Another bonus was towing it. I could definitely feel the difference in towing it with the windshield down. But i think neither of those are why they have fold down windshields today. They did it originally for military reasons (i assume) and people liked it. They wanted it on their civilian jeep. Over time it just became one of those things that make a jeep a jeep.
I believe it's to give more clearance if driving in an area with low hanging tree branches. If you've ever seen "The Gods Must Be Crazy," they have a scene with a Land Rover that shows this in action. And a few more comedic uses for a fold-down windshield, as well.
It looks like the new one has a fixed roll cage style crash structure that stays in place, even if the windshield is folded down
In reply to Furious_E :
The 3.6 isn't bad torque-wise for a Wrangler. People love to talk about how much low end the old 4.0 had. But it really didn't... It only seemed strong on the low end because there was no top end and it just didn't make much power anywhere. Any 90s vintage Chrysler V8 makes more torque at 1000 rpm than a 90s vintage 4.0 does anywhere, for example.
Yeah, 442 Lb Ft of torque in a box on wheels that also gets 30 MPGs. Sign me up!
Sounds a lot like the ecodiesel ram thats been for sale for years and years now. I understand it's not a jeep, but the above statement applies about as well and im not sure the market has followed through and bought the things in droves. Makes you wonder how much follow through there will be with the diesel Wrangler.
I think I need to get SWMBO to start rolling with the windshield down on hers all the time so she stops breaking the berkeleying things
It's pretty remarkable how much of a windshield's resilience comes from its curvature.
The 3.6 isn't bad torque-wise for a Wrangler. People love to talk about how much low end the old 4.0 had. But it really didn't... It only seemed strong on the low end because there was no top end and it just didn't make much power anywhere. Any 90s vintage Chrysler V8 makes more torque at 1000 rpm than a 90s vintage 4.0 does anywhere, for example.
This 100%. And if you do the 'actual wheel torque' calculations with the 8spd auto and compare it to the old trannies, it's just ugly.
From what I have read it may be available in a plug in hybrid instead of full electric. Is that right?
I am hoping for a four door pickup either diesel or plug in hybrid with a manual. Would be a great vehicle for me in a few years.
The hybrid will be an auto. Modern systems pretty much demand it. I'm a bit concerned that the diesel will also be auto only. The ecodiesel in the Ram is auto only and I can't see them doing the work when they have a solution in place.
docwyte said:Diesel Wrangler pickup is rated to tow only 5500lbs? That's disappointing. I was hoping it'd be rated at 7500-8000lbs, in the same neighborhood as the 7700lbs my Cayenne is.
My M3 on my aluminum open trailer is probably at least 4500lbs with my tools, another set of wheels, etc, etc...
You misread that. Diesel 4dr Wrangler is rated at 5500. ALL pickup models are rated at 6500. So, not the 7700 you were hoping for, but closer.
The more I look at these, the more I like them, even in basic 4dr V6 trim. I'll be giving them a serious eyeball when we get the wife's Mazda paid off. These are one of the few vehicles where resale is high enough to justify buying new to me. (not because I plan to sell quickly, but because you pay almost the same for a used one, usually with higher finance rates and unknown maintenance history.)
In reply to rslifkin :
Well aware, we have both a Pentastar JK and a 4.0 XJ in the driveway. The 3.6 blows the 4.0 out of the water in every measurable way and if you would overlay dyno charts I'm sure it makes more torque across nearly the entire rev range. I agree it's totally a matter of perception.
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