Fast Forward to around 17:38 for the important stuff.
Regular 3.6l is sticking around, plus there's going to be a turbo 4 cylinder hybrid, the diesel (available in 2019), and by 2020 there's going to be a full electric version.
Fast Forward to around 17:38 for the important stuff.
Regular 3.6l is sticking around, plus there's going to be a turbo 4 cylinder hybrid, the diesel (available in 2019), and by 2020 there's going to be a full electric version.
That is awesome. Wrangler is one of the most iconic and valuable models/nameplates in the automotive landscape and it's nice to see it getting a dose of modernity.
This is pretty obviously a rendering, but allegedly what the interior looks like. There's an awful lot going on there.
LED headlights, and the turn signals are back in the fenders like the TJ.
I wonder if the hood vents are functional?
Jeep is claiming this as their most capable offroader yet. I mean I guess, technically that is articulation, or more likely a poser photo.
Obviously, I'm very excited by this, and the diesel Wrangler Pickup is likely my next new/new-ish vehicle, I won't play games, and dealer level "market adjustment" is complete and utter bull spit, so give it a while to work the bugs out, let the early adopters to get fleeced by the mark-ups, and I'll tentatively say, I'll be in the market Q4 of '19.
As much as I love this, I do loathe the idea of all the "bros" rolling coal on the trails. 
Leave it to Jeep to go to diesel just is it's going away. (Not including the Liberty, of course)
In reply to markwemple :
You could get your CJ5 new in '61 with a Perkins Diesel.
CJ10s, granted there weren't a lot in civilian hands prior to them being surplussed, but they had a Nissan I6 diesel option.
The Grand Cherokee has had a Diesel option, off and on since '05.
Pretty much every model has had a diesel optional or standard in most export markets since the '60s.
So, Jeep isn't new to diesels.
Word is the diesel is going to have a stop-start function like the 4 cylinder hybrid, so I assume it's going to have some "hybrid-ish" electric motor system or really beefy starter motor to help it get the claimed 30 MPGs.
I see windshield hinges. I am happy.
On second thought, this is GRM, just drop a 4BT into an LJ(TJU)
Brian said:I see windshield hinges. I am happy.
looks like rubber stops/rests on the hood too
We bought my wife’s jk new in 2012 and it’s been extremely reliable. It has 125k on it now and we’re thinking about ordering a new one. The 3.6 has been good to us, so we may get it again. I’d love to have the diesel, but looks like it may only be available in the 4 door and my wife much prefers the 2 door. Wish the build tool was available now so we could spec one out. I’m not worried about being an early adopter as far as bugs, we’ve done it several times now and never ran into anything major, but I won’t deal with any markups or other market adjustment BS.
The windshield does indeed still fold down.
However, I've only driven with the windshield down once in my TJ, that was enough to convince me to never do it again. Not to mention how time consuming it is to fold down, and put back up. Even if they make folding the windshield down super easy on the new Wrangler, it's a feature that's lost on me, and I'd wager, 99.5% of the future Wrangler owners as well.
I drove my CJ home from the dunes with the windshield down once, with my helmet and goggles on.
It doesn't make the jeep any shorter if there is a roll bar in it, what is the purpose?
Maybe when my daughter is done with her Alfa I can get her to order a Jeep that can get passed down to me. She works for FCA, so gets a great two year lease deal.
The electric version is super exciting. I will bet that it will be better at rockcrawling than any of the other powertrains given sufficient range. That's a great use of torque.
In reply to akylekoz :
I used to have wrangler trail rig. I felt like i stayed a lot cooler with the windshield down when creeping around at 1 mph. Another bonus was towing it. I could definitely feel the difference in towing it with the windshield down. But i think neither of those are why they have fold down windshields today. They did it originally for military reasons (i assume) and people liked it. They wanted it on their civilian jeep. Over time it just became one of those things that make a jeep a jeep.
interesting. I might be looking at these in a couple years when the wife's car is paid off if the towing capability meets my needs. I noticed the modern 4dr wranglers are a bit bigger than my ZJ when I parked next to one recently. Hell, the 2 doors aren't that much smaller.
I'm not interested in the diesel, or in the pickup for that matter, but it's cool to see the options in the lineup. They hybrid or the electric might be worth considering for me, again, depending on range and towing. Whatever I buy has to happily tow a 2k lb boat while loaded with all out gear for 4 hours on the interstate.
The interior looks like a MINI snuck into the factory late one night...
The fold down windshield is really neat for slow trail crawling in good weather, so having a system to put it up and down quickly and easily would be neat. Actually driving with it down is a different matter.
Still waiting for the truck release. The longer I wait the more I'm ok with the fact that it's going to be big. I still want a two door cab, manual trans/transfer case, although the idea of a short Wranger Rubicon with the Diesel is interesting. I like Jeep's "a Wrangler for every taste" thing that they have going on.
tuna55 said:The electric version is super exciting. I will bet that it will be better at rockcrawling than any of the other powertrains given sufficient range. That's a great use of torque.
So much this. I wonder what a 200 mile range battery would do over a 15 or so mile trail crawl. Much like that minimalist electric truck thing a few months back this option is really attention grabbing. Especially in trucklett form.
The0retical said:tuna55 said:The electric version is super exciting. I will bet that it will be better at rockcrawling than any of the other powertrains given sufficient range. That's a great use of torque.
So much this. I wonder what a 200 mile range battery would do over a 15 or so mile trail crawl. Much like that minimalist electric truck thing a few months back this option is really attention grabbing. Especially in trucklett form.
Electric makes it a little harder to 'refuel' on the trail if you run out of 'gas'. Last i checked they dont make jerry cans for electricity. But i doubt alot of hardcore offroaders will go with electric, especially with the diesel option.
edizzle89 said:The0retical said:tuna55 said:The electric version is super exciting. I will bet that it will be better at rockcrawling than any of the other powertrains given sufficient range. That's a great use of torque.
So much this. I wonder what a 200 mile range battery would do over a 15 or so mile trail crawl. Much like that minimalist electric truck thing a few months back this option is really attention grabbing. Especially in trucklett form.
Electric makes it a little harder to 'refuel' on the trail if you run out of 'gas'. Last i checked they dont make jerry cans for electricity. But i doubt alot of hardcore offroaders will go with electric, especially with the diesel option.
Other than refueling, the electric would be better in every way. I would bet that the range on the trails would be sufficient for all but overlanding.
I havent been on Jeep Forums in awhile. I need to swing over there and see if there is a thread complaining about what a Mall Crawler the JL is and how the JK was the last "real" Jeep.
tuna55 said:edizzle89 said:The0retical said:tuna55 said:The electric version is super exciting. I will bet that it will be better at rockcrawling than any of the other powertrains given sufficient range. That's a great use of torque.
So much this. I wonder what a 200 mile range battery would do over a 15 or so mile trail crawl. Much like that minimalist electric truck thing a few months back this option is really attention grabbing. Especially in trucklett form.
Electric makes it a little harder to 'refuel' on the trail if you run out of 'gas'. Last i checked they dont make jerry cans for electricity. But i doubt alot of hardcore offroaders will go with electric, especially with the diesel option.
Other than refueling, the electric would be better in every way. I would bet that the range on the trails would be sufficient for all but overlanding.
Except for maybe trying to ford a river...bye bye fishies!
Considering past Jeep hood vents have tended to be functional (to at least some degree), I fully expect the ones in the picture are.
As far as size compared to past Jeeps, yeah, the 4dr Wranglers are big. The wheelbase is a full 10" longer than a ZJ or WJ and it's also longer than an old full size Cherokee / Wagoneer by a few inches. The overall size isn't massive relative to the wheelbase, but they are big. JKs are also wider than most previous Jeep vehicles.
I just saw these "leaked towing and hauling" numbers for the JL/JT over at Jalop. I take it back, I might be interested in the diesel, or in a pickup.
https://truckyeah.jalopnik.com/apparently-leaked-documents-lay-out-new-jeep-wrangler-t-1819148952
short version: Diesel wrangler tows 5500, all JTs tow 6500.
would I look like an idiot driving a JT with a camper shell?
tuna55 said:edizzle89 said:The0retical said:tuna55 said:The electric version is super exciting. I will bet that it will be better at rockcrawling than any of the other powertrains given sufficient range. That's a great use of torque.
So much this. I wonder what a 200 mile range battery would do over a 15 or so mile trail crawl. Much like that minimalist electric truck thing a few months back this option is really attention grabbing. Especially in trucklett form.
Electric makes it a little harder to 'refuel' on the trail if you run out of 'gas'. Last i checked they dont make jerry cans for electricity. But i doubt alot of hardcore offroaders will go with electric, especially with the diesel option.
Other than refueling, the electric would be better in every way. I would bet that the range on the trails would be sufficient for all but overlanding.
i dont disagree that the electric would be fantastic offroad with it's instant torque delivery. It will also be interesting to see how the range gets effected by lifts/gearing/bigger tires. And you have to think not everyone lives right next to trails. They will have to drive to the trails and back which will cut down on the amount of range left for trail use. Then if they get lost or the trail is longer then anticipated or any of the other unexpected things that happen while offroading then there is the potential to get stranded with no charge.
obviously it will end up coming down to how the owner wants to use it and *hopefully* buys the appropriate powertrain to match their needs. but i almost guarantee within a year of the electric one's being sold someone will run out of charge on a trail without a long enough extension cord
edizzle89 said:tuna55 said:edizzle89 said:The0retical said:tuna55 said:The electric version is super exciting. I will bet that it will be better at rockcrawling than any of the other powertrains given sufficient range. That's a great use of torque.
So much this. I wonder what a 200 mile range battery would do over a 15 or so mile trail crawl. Much like that minimalist electric truck thing a few months back this option is really attention grabbing. Especially in trucklett form.
Electric makes it a little harder to 'refuel' on the trail if you run out of 'gas'. Last i checked they dont make jerry cans for electricity. But i doubt alot of hardcore offroaders will go with electric, especially with the diesel option.
Other than refueling, the electric would be better in every way. I would bet that the range on the trails would be sufficient for all but overlanding.
i dont disagree that the electric would be fantastic offroad with it's instant torque delivery. It will also be interesting to see how the range gets effected by lifts/gearing/bigger tires. And you have to think not everyone lives right next to trails. They will have to drive to the trails and back which will cut down on the amount of range left for trail use. Then if they get lost or the trail is longer then anticipated or any of the other unexpected things that happen while offroading then there is the potential to get stranded with no charge.
obviously it will end up coming down to how the owner wants to use it and *hopefully* buys the appropriate powertrain to match their needs. but i almost guarantee within a year of the electric one's being sold someone will run out of charge on a trail without a long enough extension cord
You just need to put solar cells on the roof. ;-)
logdog said:I havent been on Jeep Forums in awhile. I need to swing over there and see if there is a thread complaining about what a Mall Crawler the JL is and how the JK was the last "real" Jeep.
this.. 1000X this... The CJ was the last real jeep when the YJ came out.. same with TJ and JK and...
The lot of them needs to shut it and just wheel.
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