No Mahindra Roxor discussion yet? Who wants a brand new CJ2A!?

ebonyandivory said:

In reply to Duke :

Remember when you could buy a ‘66-‘77 Bronco or a Scout II for $1,200 for a plow or yard vehicle?

Now they’re $15,000-$30,000

Sure I remember those times.  That was in 1978-1988, when those trucks were 10-12 years old.  But there's nothing magic about those trucks in particular, unless you want one of those particular trucks.  That's what makes a Bronco or Scout a five-digit purchase now. 

In 2018, $2500-$5000 will buy you a decent, serviceable, driver pickup built in the first half of the Oughties.  Unless you are facing severe restrictions on weight or size, I can't see why you wouldn't buy a real truck for 1/3 of the price of a UTV.

Or just a used Wrangler, which is very capable off road, plus it can be used as an actual car too. 

In reply to Duke :

Agree.  It's the same as the Kei trucks.  As cool as it would seem to own one, upon further logical investigation, for me, it would be wiser and a lot cheaper to just buy a used Ford Ranger for less money with just as much and actually more real world usability.  

Grizz said:

In reply to fatallightning :

http://www.duncanimports.com/wholesale-used-inventory/index.htm

Drool factory aside, my reasoning would be that the roxor isn't a 20+ year old vehicle, it's going to be built in the US so it should have better parts availability, and it's not rare or interesting enough to feel bad about beating the hell out of it. As much as I want one of the old TD Pajeros I wouldn't take a 15k one places I would take a 15k utv.




Well there's the engine. I can already see part of why 60 something hp.

That turbo is so cuuuuute!

Seriously, this engine would work pretty nicely in my old Rover.

If I am wrong, and these things end up being reliable enough to be cheaper to operate than a RZR, and if they end up being available with an automatic, I expect them to be very popular with 4x4 rental companies in Moab.

I have a Cam Am Commander 1000 as well as an 85 CJ-7.  There really isn’t much of a comparison.  I don’t see the Mahindra competing with the modern side by sides if that’s what they’re going for.  It does look like a cool little rig though.

I will stick with the original.  this is my 47 CJ-2

The Roxor looks pretty neat but with the minimal cargo capacity and leaf springs, etc, I cannot see this doing as well offroad as a modern side by side.  Definitely no comparison to an RZR- perhaps similar to some of the Kubota machines...  will be interesting to see how it does in the market.

Reminds me of Enfield.  Nice that they still exist I suppose.  The Hindustan Ambassador no longer exists.  Imagine how ga-ga this site would be if someone had kept making the E30.  

So it looks like Mahindra is bringing the Roxor to the Detroit auto show: https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/mark-phelan/2019/01/07/mahindra-roxor-fca-jeep-detroit-auto-show/2506834002/

I have zero reason to own a Roxor, but damned if I don't want one just to futz with. Having worked in the aftermarket Jeep parts world my head is brimming with ideas (that have no doubt already been done, I wasn't in R&D for a reason).

As stated before, at $15K they aren't as capable as a SxS, nor as useful as a real Jeep CJ/YJ/TJ (or Samurai).   I don't see the point.

Fun size comparisons:

The Roxor is slightly (~3%) bigger than a CJ-7/YJ.

The Can Am Commander, typical SxS size, is slightly smaller (~4%) than the CJ-2A that the OP mentioned.

I don't really see the market for this thing.

In reply to Knurled. :

All Cj's have a number. CJ2 and 3 had flat fenders, The CJ5 and those that followed had curved fenders.  The first picture looks more like a CJ5, the CJ7 was a longer version.

In reply to iceracer :

It's CJ7 based- the door shape is the same, and it has a 2.5" longer wheelbase than a CJ7 (the '7 is 93.5")

CJ5 was 80-83.5" WB, and had a different door opening.

llysgennad said:

Fun size comparisons:

The Roxor is slightly (~3%) bigger than a CJ-7/YJ.

The Can Am Commander, typical SxS size, is slightly smaller (~4%) than the CJ-2A that the OP mentioned.

I don't really see the market for this thing.

It is the closest thing to getting an unmolested CJ that you can find outside of Barrett-Jackson. Even the hardcore gatekeepers at Pirate 4x4 have a subforum for them.

And the offroad fab guys are already tricking them out:

Having spent time in the aftermarket Jeep world, the Roxor has a LOT of the things that the CJ guys want (or retrofit). And with a tune you can remove the speed limiter and bump the power output. Comparing it to a side-by-side is kind of silly, as it was only labeled as one as way to exploit a loophole. Yes you can buy a real running Jeep for cheaper, but some people want a fresh foundation that hasn't been beaten to hell before they beat it to hell themselves.

P4x4 hasn't been a hardcore gatekeeper in over a decade.

And Lance sold to the Canadians 7 years ago...


 You can get brand new aftermarket steel bodies of questionable quality pretty easily, as well as frames.  There are also only 9 threads in that sub forum over the course of 10 months.

Just for grins, I went to the site and built one. Very basic, just getting up to usable features like heat, wipers, spare tire and a top. No axle upgrades.

$21,586. No way. I can buy or build 2 real Jeeps to very nice condition for that money.

Cooter said:

P4x4 hasn't been a hardcore gatekeeper in over a decade.

And Lance sold to the Canadians 7 years ago...


 You can get brand new aftermarket steel bodies of questionable quality pretty easily, as well as frames.  There are also only 9 threads in that sub forum over the course of 10 months.

Quite aware of the Jeep parts on the market, I ran the catalog department for Omix-ADA/Rugged Ridge for several years. Having seen what sold, what didn't, and what people wanted us to make, in my opinion the Roxor is viable. Take it how you will.

There is an ATV dealer around the corner that has about 20 of these on the lot. I've seen a few cruising around on the street (in UT most things are allowed on public roads). Growing up in a jeep family I can see the appeal, especially given the prices that good CJs are getting around here. They do look smaller than a CJ5. In a few years maybe the depreciation may put them in my price range. Curious how long the engines will last with regular use. Maybe they go 100k miles? 20k? I'll be keeping an eye out for sure.

In reply to slefain :

You didn't do very well if you can't tell the difference between a CJ2a and a CJ7...

llysgennad said:

Fun size comparisons:

The Roxor is slightly (~3%) bigger than a CJ-7/YJ.

The Can Am Commander, typical SxS size, is slightly smaller (~4%) than the CJ-2A that the OP mentioned.

I don't really see the market for this thing.

There’s no way to justify the Alfa 4C with numbers either, but it exists and sells. Cool choices are always good. 

Cooter said:

In reply to slefain :

You didn't do very well if you can't tell the difference between a CJ2a and a CJ7...

There’s a difference between knowing the market and knowing the vehicles. 

On the radio over the weekend they were saying that they changed the grill slots on the Indian Jeeps imported to the USA so they would not look so "Jeep like" which is one of Jeeps trademarks.....

Im surprised I didn't post this the first time around but there are i think two companies (at least) that are flash tuning them to improve power and remove the speed limiter. Even with 63hp it should be able to do 70-80mph, and after a tune it will probably go faster than you should go in it. One company did a simulated 1/4 mile run on their chassis dyno and it did a low 18 i think, which is pretty streetable in my book. 

But i mostly agree with all the people who say it's pointless to not buy a good jeep for less money.