Is there such a thing as non flammable coolant / antifreeze for automotive applications?
My google searches say not likely but whats the hive mind think?
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Title is a bit dyslexic and should read 'engine coolant'
Is there such a thing as non flammable coolant / antifreeze for automotive applications?
My google searches say not likely but whats the hive mind think?
edit..
Title is a bit dyslexic and should read 'engine coolant'
I did an experiment last summer and sprayed used antifreeze (green stuff) on a bonfire and it went up like napalm... Apparently green antifreeze will burn if it gets hot enough.
This coolant is listed as non-flammable, but it will burn a hole in your wallet.
http://www.orisonmarketing.com/IceclearHD.html
Supposedly ethanol under 40% solution with water isn't flammable. This gives the different freezing points at different solutions.
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/ethanol-water-d_989.html
my truck carries 30 gallons of highly flammable gasoline in the tank when it's full, and the tank becomes more and more of an explosion hazard the lower the level gets due to the fumes... the 3 gallons of coolant- half of which is tap water- in the engine doesn't register as anything resembling a fire threat to me..
In reply to 81cpcamaro:
I need to do a bit more reading but that stuff looks like it will work. Thanks!
Another option: Distilled water with Redline Water Wetter or Royal Purple ICE in it. This will work as coolant but not antifreeze though.
I guess I should explain...
I run an engine dyno in my garage and there is the potential for a catastrophic failure resulting in loss of coolant and possibly a napalm type fire.
Anyway I have been running just water all summer but now I need to find something that wont freeze or burn.
why do you ever need anything besides straight water on an engine dyno? does it not have a drain on it?
In reply to El Cheapo:
I'm not familiar with the antifreeze, but...
How about a 60 watt bulb to keep things just above freezing.
Or maybe something like this if you want to be high tech.
http://www.amazon.com/Easy-Heat-AHB-115-Weather-Heating/dp/B0000DGAEF/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1448300513&sr=8-3&keywords=easyheat+cable
In reply to novaderrik:
Right now I have to drain the cooling system when I done for the day. I have never been 100% certain the block is completely drained and with the weather getting colder I'm starting to wonder.
A hundred dollars worth of special antifreeze is the easy answer but Toyman brings up another solution with a possible block heater and light bulb....
I'd look into the block heater /bulb scenario, especially if you're making a lot of changes to whatever motor's on the dyno. Plus, every time you drain the coolant /change motors, you're going to lose a little bit.
I recently changed my user name but at one point I had a build thread on the dyno. Sometimes I assume people know what I'm talking about when I mention the dyno. Anyway the dyno is more of a real world simulator that can run 15 min performance/economy profiles. Its a fairly complicated machine.
A block heater makes a lot of sense to me. You could even do one of the tap-a-hose style ones, or just run one of those birdbath/horse water heaters into the reservoir to keep things "not super frozen."
There are cheaper (and smaller) ones out there, but this should give you a general idea:
https://www.valleyvet.com/ct_detail.html?pgguid=b8b474d2-6cc2-4fc1-85df-4528d2b7ca39
Looking at your rig, I would stick a 60 watt bulb at the base of the radiator with a thermostat controlling it. Thermosyphon should take care of the rest.
I wouldn't worry about it, the exhaust manifold isn't that hot. Autoignition temp is 770 f (410 c), I imagine that only happens after you cook all the water out of it, which require a ton of energy.
Is there any proven real world case of a coolant leak starting an engine fire? In any event I imagine the odds of the old radiator upper tank exploding and seriously burning you are way higher.
I always used Propylene glycol in my water brake dyno never a problem however its got WAY expensive now that all the smokers have gone to E-Cig's as its used to make the vapor.... NOTE: RV anti freeze used to be 90% Propylene glycol but has changed more to 40% with alcohol and some other crap so don't use that. Industrial supply shops will have Propylene glycol in bulk for forced hot water boilers
I always thought AF was not flammable until one time I was on my way to a race towing my race car behind my brother-in-laws motorhome when the bypass coolant hose sprung a leak and started to spray AF all over the engine. I pulled over and looked into the front wheel well to see WTF was going on. The AF that ran down and onto the "very hot" exhaust manifolds started to burn with "cute" green flames. The flames were small and it didn't appear that they were going to cause any damage so we just watched the fire until the spraying stopped and the flames when out.
I went ahead and purchased 4 gallons of the glycerin base engine coolant. It worked out to $21.00 a gallon with free shipping. I really like the idea of using the light bulb and heater but in the end the antifreeze is less of a worry.
thanks for the input and suggestions.
When the snow clears up a bit I'll shoot some photos of a conventional antifreeze fire vs a Dexcool fire.... its eye opening for sure.
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