Used tires exist. Just saying.
Used tires exist. Just saying.
In reply to WilberM3:
A big part of tire pricing is how common that size is. Bigger and wider can be cheaper if you are changing to a more popular size, and there is more selection. My Nissan Titan came with an odd sized tire- 265-70-18. A little taller than most other truck's stock sized truck tires. When I went to buy replacement tires a few years ago, there was not much available other than the crappy stock tires, and they all were very expensive. I bought a very nice set of 20" rims instead with the more common sized 275-60-20. The rims were pretty much paid for with what I saved on the tires. I just checked discount tire, and they have that size for as low as $116 per tire.
aircooled wrote: Seriously though, has anyone seen any decrease in tire prices? I know there should be a bit of a lag, but come on, we are talking HALF the price in a year here!
I am curious about this too. Do manufacturers, shippers, etc. just continue to sell their products at a higher profit margin when their fuel/materials costs plummet because they know consumers are used to paying a high price already?
And to keep on-subject: $733 shipped from Tire Rack for 17" snow tires for the GTO two winters ago that I've put a total of like 3k miles on. $200 for used OEM wheels, $100 for mounting/balancing and this has not been a cost effective proposition.
Armitage wrote:aircooled wrote: Seriously though, has anyone seen any decrease in tire prices? I know there should be a bit of a lag, but come on, we are talking HALF the price in a year here!I am curious about this too. Do manufacturers, shippers, etc. just continue to sell their products at a higher profit margin when their fuel/materials costs plummet because they know consumers are used to paying a high price already? And to keep on-subject: $733 shipped from Tire Rack for 17" snow tires for the GTO two winters ago that I've put a total of like 3k miles on. $200 for used OEM wheels, $100 for mounting/balancing and this has not been a cost effective proposition.
A lot of pricing depends on what the market will bear. So if they are selling the tire steadily the price will probably stay high.
As for material cost dropping, If they bought all the raw materials, or manufactured the tires when material costs were high then they can't drop the price until they clear their inventory of the more expensive materials.
How long the lag is depends on how much raw material they had purchased at a higher price.
jstand wrote:Armitage wrote:A lot of pricing depends on what the market will bear. So if they are selling the tire steadily the price will probably stay high. As for material cost dropping, If they bought all the raw materials, or manufactured the tires when material costs were high then they can't drop the price until they clear their inventory of the more expensive materials. How long the lag is depends on how much raw material they had purchased at a higher price.aircooled wrote: Seriously though, has anyone seen any decrease in tire prices? I know there should be a bit of a lag, but come on, we are talking HALF the price in a year here!I am curious about this too. Do manufacturers, shippers, etc. just continue to sell their products at a higher profit margin when their fuel/materials costs plummet because they know consumers are used to paying a high price already? And to keep on-subject: $733 shipped from Tire Rack for 17" snow tires for the GTO two winters ago that I've put a total of like 3k miles on. $200 for used OEM wheels, $100 for mounting/balancing and this has not been a cost effective proposition.
That shouldn't take too long since everyone who is anyone is doing JIT these days.
Armitage wrote:aircooled wrote: Seriously though, has anyone seen any decrease in tire prices? I know there should be a bit of a lag, but come on, we are talking HALF the price in a year here!I am curious about this too. Do manufacturers, shippers, etc. just continue to sell their products at a higher profit margin when their fuel/materials costs plummet because they know consumers are used to paying a high price already?
There's no conspiracy between manufacturers to keep prices high. When prices of materials drop you'll see tire makers start undercutting each other on price in order to take market share, which drives the prices down.
I suspect, though, that oil is not the dominant cost of manufacturing a tire. Per http://www.rma.org/about-rma/rubber-faqs/, the average tire has about 5 gallons of oil in it plus 2 gallons' worth of energy used in production. Since energy costs in general have not dropped, ignore the latter. A 42 gallon barrel of oil has gone from roughly $100 to $50, so that's a reduction of $1.19/gallon, or $5.95.
oldeskewltoy wrote:At a Discount Tire store... guy drove in 07 Merc S550 Bridgestones
Each?
When I was working in a tire shop in the mid 90s, a set of Gatorbacks for an SN95 were $1200 out the door.
iadr wrote:jimbob_racing wrote: This is why so many people drive on bald tires in the rain and snow. They can barely afford their car payment and never thought about how much tires were going to cost. Surprise! All of my cars have 15" or 16" tire by choice.Yep I work for a dealership. Flat 20.5% gross profit on any tire. We'll have them in stock, but they leave with threads showing, and a baby seat in the back... This actually reminds me we have to hassle a little harder re: liabilities on the way out the door.
Since most people are clueless and never look at their tires you might be missing up a great opportunity to be a trusted advisor and make friends with people who don't notice trivial things like tread-depth.
For my E36,on the factory 15" wheels, I bought Direzza DZ102s 205/55/R15 for $386 late last year and G-force Rivals(autocross only) on factory E46 16" wheels 225/50/R16 for $551, both shipped. It's a small car, so the 16" wheels look really good; it actually makes it look more modern compared to the 15" wheels. But, there are only 2 summer tires available in that size now, so the 15"s will have to go when the DZ102s wear out. There are a huge number of summer tires in 225/40/R17 for $500-$700 before shipping so I may skip the 16" for street summer tires.
A set of 4 for my miata daily wheels are $200 shipped, my brother just got new slightly larger tires for his grand cherokee and it set him back almost a grand, tires are expensive...unless they are tiny haha
And I thought $500 a set for 205/70R14 was pricey.
I'm appreciating coopers for $90 a piece shipped I just bought for 2 cars. Now I just need the time to get them to the shop to get them mounted. CS5 for the wife and RS3A for myself, both a 205/xx/16.
I cringe at what my staggered 18" s-04's would cost without my discount. I put a customer in a set of staggered 20" Bridgestone rft's for his x5 and it was a little over 2k, even with my "I also drive a bmw discount". People legitimately don't consider what that shiny new cars tires are gonna cost. Decent (not great) 17" all seasons you're looking minimum $700
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