There is a group buy on this roll bar that seems to be a very good deal and I am wondering if anyone has this roll bar? I have an NB and want to have a bar for autox and track days in addition to my hard top.
Does anyone here have one of these?
There is a group buy on this roll bar that seems to be a very good deal and I am wondering if anyone has this roll bar? I have an NB and want to have a bar for autox and track days in addition to my hard top.
Does anyone here have one of these?
I personally really dislike bolt-in cages, especially the Miata bars that bolt onto the rear bulkhead like that. I know people will say they work fine but they give me the shivers.
With that said, that diagonal bar is going to cut in on your rear visibility a lot. Weigh that as you will, I'm fine with mine doing the same.
That seems like a decent price as well.
I've got a bolt-in bar (in my Mustang), but it has pretty stout backing plates. I'd be willing to bet that it's less likely to puncture through the floor-pan than a weld-in.
A weld in should be tied into the rocker, not the floor pan.
That bar is pretty well regarded from what i read. At that price i'd be getting in on that group buy if i didnt already have a rollbar.
Or i'd make a trip to Blackbird Fabworx.
Yeah, for me it's a toss-up between a Blackbird bar (which means I'd have to drive the car down to LA) or a bolt in one (ie Harddog or one of these).
That group buy, it is tempting, especially as I've dealt with Garagestar before and was pretty impressed by their service.
Doesn't 1.5" tubing mean it's not SCCA legal?
If that matters to you.
I was going to fire off an email to them to find out exactly that, because for me that would be a little pointless if the bar wasn't SCCA legal...
BoxheadTim wrote: I was going to fire off an email to them to find out exactly that, because for me that would be a little pointless if the bar wasn't SCCA legal...
Please update this thread with what you find out, I don't want to end up with a paperweight.
I would much rather have a Blackbird bar but since I am on the oposite coast I don't think that is going to happen. I could find someone local to do it for me but at that price it seems like a great deal.
Yeah I am in the "if its not SCCA legal whats the point group"
1.5" is fine with SCCA:
Cars up to 1500 lbs use 1.375 x 0.095 DOM/seamless/alloy.
Cars 1501-2200 lbs. use 1.500 x 0.095 DOM/seamless/alloy OR 1.500 x 0.120 ERW.
Cars 2201-3000 lbs. use 1.500 x 0.120 DOM/seamless/alloy OR 1.750 x 0.095 DOM/seamless/alloy OR 1.750 x 0.120 ERW.
Cars 3001-4000 lbs. use 1.750 x 0.120 DOM/seamless/alloy (no ERW allowed).
Yes that diagonal will obstruct your mirror, but you should really pay attention to the angle of your shoulder belts if you use that harness bar. And get some proper SFI high density padding for that thing too.
According to the email I just received, the rollbar is legal for NASA & SCCA HPDE/PDX use and SCCA Solo 1. It doesn't come with written certification, however.
Probably requires a little more rule reading to see if it is legal for time trials, too - my reading of the club trials rules suggest it might be OK at that level, too.
Thanks for the update Tim
Well, I bit the bullet and ordered one. Should have it in 2-3 weeks, depending when I can go down to Sacramento and pick it up.
I emailed the guy just now, last day so hopefully he contacts me. I don't even have a miata yet but I am fairly sure I will be buying one ;p
Who did you email? GarageStar or EGR? You might be better off calling EGR directly.
You might find that bar might be SCCA legal this year, but not be legal in a year or two. That's something that's a big point of discussion for the Solo I Time Trial crowd I hang with.
Roll bar and cage rule changes are coming, plan and act accordingly.
The diagonal needs to be in the same plane as the main hoop running from the drivers side top to the passenger side floor mounting point and it must intersect with the horizontal crossbar.
I'd hate to go through the work to put a new bar in my car only to have to have it become illegal between seasons. I've seen guys who towed three states to an event be turned away because their roll bars are no longer legal due to rule changes.
Don't want it happening to me and I think you'd feel the same.
I emailed garagestar because they were the group buy?
They're arranging the group buy but you pay EGR directly.
Yeah I saw that, just talked to the guy from Garagestar he said to call them tomorrow or even monday for payment it should be fine. I am on the list.
Do you know how many people they got to buy in?
vern2point3 wrote: The diagonal... must intersect with the horizontal crossbar.
citation please.
For Road Race and Solo I events such as Time Trials roll bars must meet the GCR requirements of Section 9.4, specifically parts 9.4.B.2a and 9.4.B.2.b dealing with bracing the main hoop.
Per discussion with our regional safety stewards I got the news that within 2 years all SCCA roll bars are going to have to meet those requirements, even Solo II cars currently covered only by Appendix C of the Solo II rules.
I'm sure I've seen a posting on one board that gave the timeline for the change to be implemented. Possibly a FastTrack or one of our regional forums.
Blame it on the lawyers and SCCA needing to make roll bar/roll cage rules compliant with FIA roll bar and roll cage rules. I believe that NASA is moving their rules in the same direction for similar reasons.
The discussion thread dates back to 2006 in the SCCA Forums Time Trials section. It was regarding proposed 2011 rules changes to roll bars and roll cages.
Here's the link the SCCA Forums -
http://www.sccabb.com
vern2point3 wrote: The discussion thread dates back to 2006 in the SCCA Forums Time Trials section. It was regarding proposed 2011 rules changes to roll bars and roll cages. Here's the link the SCCA Forums - http://www.sccabb.com
So I'm suppsed to plan ahead for something that was proposed 6 years ago, and supposed to be implsmented last year???
I got an update that says over 20 people went in for the deal! So that is a great price
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