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alfadriver
alfadriver SuperDork
9/28/11 6:38 a.m.

In reply to Wally:

I'm just trying to figure what bizzaro world words you use to find some of your pictures.

Very much admire the oddball stuff you manage to find- pictures or articles.

Brett_Murphy
Brett_Murphy GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
11/29/11 12:15 p.m.

The main problem with a Mustang of any sort remains two doors.

N Sperlo
N Sperlo SuperDork
11/29/11 12:22 p.m.

In reply to Brett_Murphy:

More than two doors on a mustang? Is it not heavy enough already?

RossD
RossD SuperDork
11/29/11 12:23 p.m.

I think what he wants is a 4 door version as a touring sedan. At least, that's what I want.

N Sperlo
N Sperlo SuperDork
11/29/11 12:32 p.m.

In reply to RossD:

You can still order a P71 for another month or so.

ReverendDexter
ReverendDexter SuperDork
11/29/11 12:42 p.m.
Brett_Murphy wrote: The main problem with a Mustang of any sort remains two doors.

Get off my planet.

When I'm Emperor of the Known Universe, four door cars will be banned. Coupes, hatchbacks, wagons, or GTFO. No four-door trucks, either.

You can have the opening panels like on an extended-cab pickup or RX-8, though. And the Velocetor gets a pass, but only if Hyundai agrees to put never sell any turbocharger-equipped car as auto-only ever again.

aussiesmg
aussiesmg SuperDork
11/29/11 2:14 p.m.

I make my living with sedans dude, get off my planet

DirtyBird222
DirtyBird222 SuperDork
11/29/11 2:51 p.m.
ransom wrote: Maybe it could become ESVO (*Extra* Special Vehicle Operations) and build really weird stuff. Like a 3/4 to 7/8 scale Mustang under 2500 lbs...

Already seen that one. Wasn't it called the Mustang II?

pinchvalve
pinchvalve GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
11/29/11 3:21 p.m.

Why not drop the V-6 turbo and AWD package from the SHO/Flex in the Mustang? Now THAT would be interesting!

Javelin
Javelin GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
11/29/11 3:33 p.m.
pinchvalve wrote: Why not drop the V-6 turbo and AWD package from the SHO/Flex in the Mustang? Now THAT would be interesting!

Cause the SHO drivetrain is transverse FWD and the Mustang is an FR RWD?

/debbiedowner

bravenrace
bravenrace SuperDork
11/29/11 3:35 p.m.
ReverendDexter wrote:
Brett_Murphy wrote: The main problem with a Mustang of any sort remains two doors.
Get off my planet. When I'm Emperor of the Known Universe, four door cars will be banned. Coupes, hatchbacks, wagons, or GTFO. No four-door trucks, either. You can have the opening panels like on an extended-cab pickup or RX-8, though. And the Velocetor gets a pass, but only if Hyundai agrees to put never sell any turbocharger-equipped car as auto-only ever again.

This.

ReverendDexter
ReverendDexter SuperDork
11/29/11 3:55 p.m.
pinchvalve wrote: Why not drop the V-6 turbo and AWD package from the SHO/Flex in the Mustang? Now THAT would be interesting!

Meh, it'd be better in a Focus body. Or Focus derivative... like the Mazda5.

ZOMG... twin-turbo 3.5L AWD Mazda5... :drool:

ransom
ransom GRM+ Memberand Dork
11/29/11 4:05 p.m.
DirtyBird222 wrote:
ransom wrote: Maybe it could become ESVO (*Extra* Special Vehicle Operations) and build really weird stuff. Like a 3/4 to 7/8 scale Mustang under 2500 lbs...
Already seen that one. Wasn't it called the Mustang II?

There's no "II" in "Mustang". I'm not sure whether to recognize that aberration as a car at all.

I mean, of course, apart from having suspension and steering superior to all the prior Mustangs. But I can thank the Pinto for that and continue to ignore this

Brett_Murphy
Brett_Murphy GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
11/29/11 8:28 p.m.

In reply to ReverendDexter:

Show me a proper wagon (not a shooting brake) that doesn't have 4 doors and was made in the last 25 years.

If a car has a usable back seat, it should have doors for those seats. Anybody that thinks otherwise is a fashion victim or was born prior to 1968. Maybe both

Full disclosure: I have two neon coupes, a 2 door golf and have owned lots of two door cars. I even owned an older 2 door Grand Prix. That is what turned me off on some 2 door cars: the doors were so long and heavy that they started sagging enough that you had to lift them up while you were pulling them shut in order to get them closed.

Ian F
Ian F SuperDork
11/30/11 7:57 a.m.
Conquest351 wrote: To do it correctly, they need to make it LIGHT, and make their focus on the suspension and brakes. Basically, take the Boss 302 Suspension and put it under a V6 Mustang with an SHO motor and 6-speed manual transmission. Dare I go out on a limb and suggest IRS as an SVO only suspension component?

That was my thought as well. I don't think offering an SVO Mustang that costs more than a GT, but less than a GT500 (maybe in the Boss area?) would be out of the question if it had a little more of a "euro" focus.

mad_machine
mad_machine GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
11/30/11 8:24 a.m.
Brett_Murphy wrote: Full disclosure: I have two neon coupes, a 2 door golf and have owned lots of two door cars. I even owned an older 2 door Grand Prix. That is what turned me off on some 2 door cars: the doors were so long and heavy that they started sagging enough that you had to lift them up while you were pulling them shut in order to get them closed.

wow.. I have not seen that kind of behaviour since the 70's pillarless caddys. I remember a friend's mom had a 4 door caddy without the B pillar. The car, after a couple of years, had sagged so much you could not open both doors on the same side at the same time

Conquest351
Conquest351 HalfDork
11/30/11 8:45 a.m.
ReverendDexter wrote:
Brett_Murphy wrote: The main problem with a Mustang of any sort remains two doors.
Get off my planet. When I'm Emperor of the Known Universe, four door cars will be banned. Coupes, hatchbacks, wagons, or GTFO. No four-door trucks, either. You can have the opening panels like on an extended-cab pickup or RX-8, though. And the Velocetor gets a pass, but only if Hyundai agrees to put never sell any turbocharger-equipped car as auto-only ever again.

THIS...

Made me LOL... At work...

ReverendDexter
ReverendDexter SuperDork
11/30/11 10:04 a.m.
Brett_Murphy wrote: In reply to ReverendDexter: Show me a proper wagon (not a shooting brake) that doesn't have 4 doors and was made in the last 25 years.

Um, every single one. Wagons have five doors (six if they have ambulance-style doors on back instead of a hatch or tailgate).

Besides, when I'm EotKU, I'm also scrapping CAFE in favor of CAKE: Corporate Average KErbveight. Within 3 years of my coming into power, the average weight of a company's non-industrial vehicles must not exceed 3500 lbs. That includes pickups and SUVS.

RossD
RossD SuperDork
11/30/11 10:13 a.m.

3500lbs for a truck? Damn man, my truck is around the 6000 lbs range and I just knocked out an average of 15 mpgs for 25 gallons.

vw_jason79
vw_jason79 New Reader
11/30/11 10:45 a.m.
Brett_Murphy wrote: In reply to ReverendDexter: Show me a proper wagon (not a shooting brake) that doesn't have 4 doors and was made in the last 25 years.

ReverendDexter
ReverendDexter SuperDork
11/30/11 11:33 a.m.
RossD wrote: 3500lbs for a truck? Damn man, my truck is around the 6000 lbs range and I just knocked out an average of 15 mpgs for 25 gallons.

No, hahaha. I'm not that insane, lol. CAKE isn't a maximum weight, it's a maximum average weight across a company's offerings.

So a company can have a 6000 lb truck, but then they also have to have two ~2250lb cars in the lineup to balance it out.

I'd probably have at least a partial exemption for diesels, make them only count at the weight of an elsewise-similar gas-powered vehicle.

mad_machine
mad_machine GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
11/30/11 11:41 a.m.
vw_jason79 wrote:
Brett_Murphy wrote: In reply to ReverendDexter: Show me a proper wagon (not a shooting brake) that doesn't have 4 doors and was made in the last 25 years.

am I the only person who liked these? I almost bought one new.. but walked when I discovered you could not get it in a 5 speed. I bought a Hyundai instead

Brett_Murphy
Brett_Murphy GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
11/30/11 12:00 p.m.

In reply to vw_jason79:

I could be pedantic and say that isn't a proper wagon since it only has two doors.

Instead: what is that?

ReverendDexter
ReverendDexter SuperDork
11/30/11 12:07 p.m.

In reply to Brett_Murphy:

I think it's a VW Fox.

pres589
pres589 Dork
11/30/11 12:19 p.m.

It's a VW Polo / Fox.

The full sized GM truck from 1988 to 1998 in 2WD, standard cab, runs around 2 tons. I wonder what it would take to get one to 3500 lb; Aluminum LSx, aluminum radiator, fiberglass hood, what else? Rubber "carpet" lighter than the real stuff perhaps? I'm sure that bench seat weighs a ton... I'm threadjacking again aren't I.

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