Chris_V
UberDork
11/3/15 10:03 a.m.
I love this car, after having daydreamed cars like it when I was much younger watching the original Group 5 cars race. Always wanted a street version, ever since visiting Bruce Levin's race shop and seeing his street converted 935 back in '82. Hell, I was goofy enough to sketch up one like this based on a Pinto just to be different. Imagine a Pinto Group 5 car with license plates on it. So I love that Mike rebuilt Rusty into this fun, whimsical, creation. Since most of it burned down, this is only a bit of the shell of the 5 series attached to an entirely new tube frame.
All to invoke the era of these race cars:
RossD
UltimaDork
11/3/15 10:36 a.m.
I like it.
I'd like a Zakspeed Capri, too.
Love the car, it was partial 'inspiration' for my challenge car this year. Would love to do mine up with a tube frame, (but likely lack the talent, time, and indoor garage space).
Get your really good start (with v12) here:
https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/forum/200x-classifieds/bmw-750il-12th-overall-2nd-place-aristocrat-for-sale-ma/107112/page1/
I thought the original car was tacky and annoying. This is obnoxiously awesome.
Going to go sand off the paint on the Lexus.
Its immensely impressive how far back that engine is mounted...beautiful car.
Impressive, yes. Beautiful? Um...
I love Groupe 5 cars. I sketched up my first car an '87 Maxima with box flairs in this style. This is the only version of this car that I don't hate. I wish they would paint the damn thing, I don't get the rust/patina crap at all. It's not appealing to look at int he slightest.
Ridiculous in the best way possible!
Here's what's funny about that- when a company puts racing stuff on their cars like race cars, many here think it's tacky.
All they are doing is copying an old race car, and adding rat to it. And it't not as if the panels have real patina on it- if they did- some paint would still be there. That's fake patina as much as it's fake race car.
How, exactly, is that creative?
the car was burned to the ground, so the "patina" that's on it is real rust from real flames. It's creative in that it's a different kind of car than you would see, done up in a sort of Mad Max world, old fighter plane style. Or, instead of just another rat rod, it's the ethos applied to a group 5 car that never was. I think it's cool as hell. ANYONE can bolt aftermarket parts on a car, it takes being creative to look at a burned out hulk of a 4 door 5 series lowrider and see a off beat, whimsical Group 5 racecar and then actually BUILD it.
I like it. I like how in your face and lacking in berkeleys it is.
I just like this thread title.
oldtin
UberDork
11/3/15 2:18 p.m.
Real e28 race car... Real patina is earned not contrived. Rusty is an art project that I think is in a better state of evolution than it was but is something along the lines of a promotional gimmick like a corporate owned Orange County chopper or sailor jerry rat rod. It's only purpose is to get attention. For that, it's a very successful build.
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Exactly. I dont think this car will ever see track time. Thats not its purpose. Its just a huge piece of custom automotive art. THAT is art I can appreciate.
oldtin wrote:
It's only purpose is to get attention.
It's primary purpose is to be a fun resurrection of a project that had been killed earlier. Might as well say that every GRM challenge build or LeMons racer's primary purpose is to get attention from their peer groups and not what they are really about...
It's not about being a real race car, it's about being a whimsical look at a Group 5 Racer in Rat Rod style, which is creative, fun, and not the same as the car you posted, and not trying to be. My teenage sketch of a Pinto Group 5 racer was the same thing, just a cool, mental exercise that in this case, got made real. Kind of like the guy wanting to build a V8 Beetle on a NASCAR chassis in another thread, but no one's bitching that it's not creative or that it's just an attention whore.
Well it's a lot better than the first iteration of that car:
....yuck
Put me in the "I like it" camp of the new iteration.
With that said, once a car becomes a stationary object of art, it must be judged as such. As an art piece, it sucks. As a cool looking car, it rocks.
New one looks way better than the old one. Approved.
All the stance people probably just had an aneurism.....
oldtin
UberDork
11/3/15 4:17 p.m.
In reply to Chris_V:
Rusty was built as a stance project to promote the owner's photography business/web business. Challenge cars are built to compete in timed competition as well as a subjective aesthetic competition. There's a distinct difference. Challenge cars are a promotion for GRM - but not for the competitors. Rusty is a promo car for the builder - always has been. As mentioned - it's quite good at its job - for that the builder has done very well in making a vehicle that's become known around the world. It's an interesting project. It doesn't appeal to me aesthetically or from a functional standpoint as a race car. But interesting all the same.
Here's a whimsical group 5 car - it ran at LeMans
T.J.
UltimaDork
11/3/15 4:30 p.m.
I like it other than the wheels.
Duke
MegaDork
11/3/15 4:47 p.m.
I don't hate it. It's certainly better than its previous version.
Fitzauto wrote:
I like how in your face and lacking in berkeleys it is.
And there it is. My exact problem with it and all it's ilk: a berkeleying HUGE amount of berkeleys were given in trying desperately to look as if no berkeleys at all were given.
I'm surprised no one on here has pointed out the spark plug wires (or lack thereof). Or the inability to install said spark plug wires.
It's like he described a Group 5 car to a shop that had only built stock cars. It looks like a Group 5 car had a baby with a dirt modified.